<p>I recently got deferred from Duke early decision and from what I've heard, UNC is harder for OOS students to get into than Duke. Does anyone get deferred from Duke but then get into UNC? Would it be a huge longshot?</p>
<p>OOS UNC is probably one of the top 5 hardest schools to get into in the country. Good luck.</p>
<p>top 5, really? HYPS(UNC)? i dunno about that...</p>
<p>at the very least, if that's true, then i'm a bit scared</p>
<p>well, if you think about it, i think 17% of admitted students can be from out of state. If you take away some for atheletes, it is probably pretty low.</p>
<p>um. top 5? get out of here. yeah, a large number of students apply, and the percentage is rough, but that doesnt necessarily mean its top 5.</p>
<p>Many many kids apply because its a state school. Many many apply to it as a safety. The quality of the accepted student is not above the range of the ivy leagues by any standards. I really liked the adcoms here and they did not seem so caught up in numbers, more of how you are as a whole.</p>
<p>but yeah, its damn tough to get into.</p>
<p>UNC Out of state is EASILY one of the hardest schools to get into. Unfortunately, I can't find statistical break downs to fully substantiate my ascertation, but if UNC is anything like UVa (gets 2/3s of its applications from OOS students) then it would be extremely difficult to get in. UNC has about 3700 frosh, and 17% are OOS. so...about 650 spots. You basicly have 11,000 applications for roughly 650 spots, which turns into 5.9% of OOS students who apply and go. Figuring that if you are applying to UNC OOS, it is because it is probably your first or second choice, I bet the yeild is extremely high (average for the ENTIRE school is 56%, I bet OOS is higher), therefore it probably admits 10% or less of OOS students. If thats not enough, throw in athletes and foreign students in that OOS pool and you easily have UNC as one of the 5 for the average OOS applicant. </p>
<p>A family friend was OOS, both parents had attend chapel hill, donated LARGE amounts of $. girl was in top 10% and had 1400+ SATs. Rejected early decision. needless to say the parents never donated again, but that should give you an idea of the difficulty.</p>
<p>I know this is very hypothetical and unsubstantiated, but it makes sense. People have gotten into harvard and gotten rejected from UNC. If anyone has concrete numbers i'd appreciate it.</p>
<p>BESIDES I don't even go to UNC, I would talk it up if I didn't believe it to be true. :-)</p>
<p>i concede all arguments.</p>
<p>i applied EA, and i have to say that above post with the breakdown for OOS pretty much makes me wanna cry :(</p>
<p>same here.</p>
<p>if youre anything like me, you like to avoid reading those statistics.</p>
<p>why does UNC's EA suck so much! jan 31st!?!?! give me dec. 15th damnit!</p>
<p>UNC is one of the hardest out of state admissions in the country for all the reasons mentioned above, look at old posts and read those accepted at Brown, Columbia, Cornell and others even UVA being turned down at UNC. The mandated (by legislation) cap on out of staters is 18%. They have recently changed some things by way of a loophole that will treat any out of staters on full scholarship (Moreheads, Robertsons, recruited athletes etc) as in staters for tuition purposes and in doing so will also free up some additional spaces. </p>
<p>This from an article in the <daily tar="" heel=""> in September 2005:</daily></p>
<p>UNC implements new out of state tuition plan </p>
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<p>The ongoing debate about increasing the percentage of out of state students got new life with this new tuition policy just implemented.</p>
<p>"Tuition policy gets green light
BY BRIAN HUDSON
UNIVERSITY EDITR
September 23, 2005 </p>
<p>The Universitys Board of Trustees moved forward Thursday on a plan to allow out-of state students attending UNC-Chapel Hill on full scholarships to pay in-state tuition rates.</p>
<p>In a unanimous vote, the trustees deferred authority in implementing the campuss tuition plan to Chancellor James Moeser.</p>
<p>The resolution further mandates that Moeser will report to the board annually about the students who would benefit from the program.</p>
<p>Opponents of the tuition policy say the provision could allow schools to circumvent the 18 percent cap on out-of-state student enrollment.</p>
<p>But Moeser emphasized that the University will not enroll fewer students from North Carolina.</p>
<p>No North Carolinian will be turned away who otherwise would have been admitted to this University, Moeser said during the meeting.</p>
<p>The nonresidents on full scholarship will be admitted in addition to the Universitys generally admitted class.</p>
<p>Because the students will be an unforeseen addition to UNC-CHs enrollment plan, care must be taken not to overburden the University, Moeser said.</p>
<p>This is absolutely critical that we not outgrow our capacity, Moeser said. This will be careful growth.</p>
<p>The trustees resolution was a reaction to a provision in the N.C. budget that allows UNC-system schools boards of trustees to reclassify full-scholarship nonresidents as residents.</p>
<p>UNC-CH tuition costs $3,205 for undergraduate residents and $17,003 for undergraduate nonresidents.</p>
<p>The resolution is only the first step in establishing the program, Moeser said, noting that finer points will come later.</p>
<p>Now that the groundwork is in place, enrollment officials will begin to hammer out those details.</p>
<p>Administrators now are charged with finding a funding source for the support the students will require.</p>
<p>Based on this years freshmen class, officials anticipate about 100 students will qualify for the program next year, said Jerry Lucido, vice provost for admissions and enrollment management.</p>
<p>The policy will aid programs such as Robertson and Morehead scholars, which have been threatened after several years of tuition increases.</p>
<p>As tuition rates increase, many scholarship foundations found they could provide for fewer and fewer students.</p>
<p>In-state tuition for all students with a free ride will counteract the recent trend.</p>
<p>Lucido said the provision will enable the University to devote attention and resources to two important areas: student aid and nonresident students.</p>
<p>One, it expands our scholarship resources, and two, it allows us to bring in more out-of-state students.</p>
<p>I know UVA is on Ivy League acceptance status for out of staters, but I thought their acceptance rate was lower than UNC's. I'm not sure though b/c I live in VA and my counselor said she'd be shocked if I didn't get into UVA...I haven't really looked at stats for OOS there.</p>
<p>EDIT: just found this....</p>
<p>In recent years, approximately 19,000 students have applied for freshmen admission at Carolina. Almost 11,000 of those students were considered out-of-state for admission purposes. Approximately 2,100 those students received admission offers. The remaining 8,000 applicants were North Carolina residents. Usually about 4,600 of those students are admitted. These admission offers are targeted at yielding a freshman class of 3,700. </p>
<p>(this is about 19%)</p>
<p>I found on an article that UVA accepts about 20% out of state, but these are not official numbers from the school. I'll see if I can find anything else.</p>
<p>Obviously, these are both competitive out of state but I don't think I'd call them "Top 5". HYPSM accept about 10% of applicants. Plus, I think the applicant pool at those schools have better stats on average than OOS at UVA and UNC. There are DEFINTELY extremely brilliant, qualified students applying to UNC and UVA OOS, but I still think the average is probably lower because UNC and UVA don't quite get the awe factor of HYPSM that might intimidate some less qualified students.</p>
<p>Soccergrl, Yes, UVa's overall acceptance rate is lower than UNCs. Also, UVA admits more students OOS than UNC (33% vs. 17%). UVa accepts about 30% of its OOS applicants, its right on their website. UVa OOS acceptances are generally atleast on the same level as those accepted at the lower 4 ivys. I also never said UVa is one of the top 5 hardest to get into. I also would believe that OOS UNC applicants (atleast the admitted ones) have just as good stats as those applying to UVa and, anywhere else for that matter. My calculations were off because I assumed that the 56% yield that UNC has would be the same for instate as well as oos, which i was wrong. It's more like 65% yield instate 30% out of state. Which would put the numbers right back on target. </p>
<p>However, for oosers to get into UNC and turn it down, you must be getting into some pretty impressive schools, or else, why would you turn down UNC?<br>
I turned down Cornell and Georgetown for UVa.</p>
<p>In conclusion, I was wrong about the percentage admitted lol, but as I said it was an entirely hypothetical situation. But also, I would say that you are wrong about the "awe factor" as you call it. I would definately say there is for any of the students admitted to these schools OOS. They would be competitive at any school they did and could have applied to. OOS admits are definately the creme de le creme.</p>
<p>AND BESIDES 19% would put UNC in what...the top 10? I wasn't far off from an off the hip guess hehe. </p>
<p>so - yea...just a shout out to UNC from UVa :-)</p>
<p>I wasn't responding to you with my "Top 5" comment. As I was reading through the thread, someone said they thought UNC was in the top 5 for OOS. I didn't look to see who it was, but they were talking about it right above your post. I was also posting the stats more for people to see them since we are talking about them than to rebut what you said or argue with you over numbers. I know yours were guesses (and not far off)...I was just putting them down for people to see the actual stats since I was curious and looked them up myself. And of course, like I said, both schools are fantastic and ranked really high. What I mean by the "awe factor" is if you told the cashier at the supermarket you got into Harvard or UNC, which do you think would leave them in more awe? HPYSM are what pops to mind when an average person thinks of top schools. That doesn't mean that there aren't other top schools...I'm just saying, a lot of people put those schools on an unreachable level and consider UVA and UNC fabulous schools that might be a little bit more attainable (though still a reach). I am not by any means saying they are not good schools...they are AMAZING schools. I'm just saying that society tends to put HPYSM on a pedastal (where do all the smart kids in the movies and on TV end up?) that is a little higher than these fabulous in-state schools.</p>
<p>Sorry for the confusion : ) I'll clarify myself better next time.</p>
<p>its cool - i thought you meant awe as in the students who go there are so great. believe me, alot of the kids at those schools arn't anything to write home about. i've seen enough "football" players from my highschool go to harvard to know the difference between the impressiveness of a name, and the impressiveness of a student who goes to one of those schools.</p>
<p>i went to the out of state CTOPS (orientation), and i do believe they said that our acceptance rate was about 5%. and like an above poster said, the 18% number includes every recruited sports player as well. It is definitely a competitive pool.</p>
<p>another comment, not to scare anyone, but i'm sure the acceptance rate will be even lower this year. it's lowered every year, but then you guys also have to deal with the influx of OOSers that are applying because of the basketball championship.</p>