deferred.. will anyone accept me?

I applied ED to Williams, and found out today that I got deferred. It was kind of a disappointment, but also a bit of relief (I was having a lot of second thoughts). Anyway, now that I know that I’m not good enough for Williams, I want to know if I can get in to any other schools to which I am applying.

-Williams College - huge reach - DEFERRED
-Colgate U - reach
-Hamilton College - match/reach
-Wheaton College (IL) - match/reach; awaiting EA decision
-St. John’s College (MD) - match??
-Union College (NY) - match/safety
-Concordia College (NY) - safety

My basic stats are:
-3.93 GPA, 16/447
-1450 (740V, 710M)
-750 Wr /720 Lit /700 Math1C

Also, what other schools should I apply to? It seems apparent that I’m going to be needing some more safeties.

Thanks for any help…

<p>I think you are solid for Colgate and Hamilton. Williams is a big reach for anyone. You weren't rejected!</p>

<p>yea you should be able to get into Colgate if you have a good essay and ECs</p>

<p>Thanks for the input. Are there any suggestions for additional safety schools?</p>

<p>How was Williams a "huge reach" for you? Your grades are impeccable, your SATs good, and your SAT IIs solid as well. Were you lacking in ECs or something, because if with your academic stats Williams was a huge reach, then that's pretty insane.</p>

<p>Williams was only a reach because it so many people apply - its not that you weren't 'good enough'. Maybe they wanted an oboe player. Or maybe - if it was your first app, the app itself wasn't too good. </p>

<p>With the exception of Colgate (which is a match, but not a sure thing), the rest of your schools are safeties or very strong matches. Unless you intend to write really putrid essays or annoy your teachers just before they write your rec's, you might like a couple more matches. Oberlin, Trinity and Macalester come to mind.</p>

<p>Saturnine, your stats and everything seriously look awesome. I'm surprised you weren't accepted. Maybe the ED pool was really competitive this year. Great news for me..... Ahh. I'm really feeling like I am not going to get into WIlliams. The sad thing is I delayed getting my other apps done until I found out. I guess I have the common app essay done and quite a bit already. But for some schools I'm goign to really have to book it to get the teacher recs and everythign in by the Jan 1st date.</p>

<p>Saturnine, what do you think was your weakest part of your application? Also, where are you from?</p>

<p>Also, I think you have a great shot at all the schools on your list, even Williams. Good luck with the search and don't beat yourself down. I know it sucks being deferred but it's obvious you are VERY smart and talented and will do well at another school or maybe Williams yet. </p>

<p>I'm very scared to open the mail tomorrow. Man, I know I will be depressed. Ahhh.... I am dreading it now. Okay there is still hope... Umm I'm rambling. But don't beat yourself down. Try to keep that head high cause you are seriously blessed with talent that others envy. Good luck with the app process as you continue it this spring.</p>

<p>Middlebury?</p>

<p>Saturn:</p>

<p>I don't think Williams was a "huge" reach, statwise. You had 50th percentile stats for Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomono, and Harvey Mudd. That means that you are going to need an extra "something" to get into any of those five schools -- very strong essays, an interest that catches their eye, athletics, diversity, or whatever.</p>

<p>For any other liberal arts college in the country, your "stats" are going to be roughly 75th percentile or better. That changes the equation in your favor to the point where you would be a solid match. I consider that 75th percentile threshold to be the point where odds should be considered pretty good. For example, I would consider Hamilton to be a pretty safe bet, assuming a decent application, essays, recs, etc.</p>

<p>A non-hook candidate with 50th percentile scores has to consider a school to be a reach and not be surprised (or depressed) by a deferral/rejection.</p>

<p>nbachris2788: Although I have decent EC's, I didn't have any that are eye-popping. The applicant pool for Williams is so strong that it is a huge reach for someone like me who doesn't have a hook. </p>

<p>ohiomom: The Williams app was only my second app, so that might have been a factor. Thank you for the school suggestions; Macalester is one that I had previously considered. </p>

<p>leonesa: Good luck, I really hope that you get in at Williams! To answer your questions, I'm from suburban MD, and I think that the weakest part of my application was either my 2nd semester junior year grades, or my essay that explained them. In the 2nd semester of my junior year, I dropped from about a 4.0UW to about a 3.6UW. The cause for the drop was explained in the "significant experience that I have faced" essay. And, although well-written, the essay may have harmed me because of its controversial nature (I explain how being raped by my psychiatrist impacted my life, and, in turn, my grades. And of course, I didn't state that the rapist was my shrink). I realize now that I should have just made note of this circumstance in the short essay at the end and not have used up my main essay.. but.. too late now. Unfortunately, Williams wasn't able to see the rise in my grades this year either (back to 4.0UW). Oh well.</p>

<p>Interesteddad: Thank you for your comments and advice. Ah, I just wish I had some sort of hook; too bad schools aren't crazy about non-recruited athletes.</p>

<p>Would suggest Holy Cross -very similar to Colgate but HC has a much better location 1 hour from Boston.</p>

<p>My God Saturnine, that is awful... I cannot believe you were raped by your psychiatrist. That is so sad and I am so sorry that that happened to you. It is horrible that people who are supposed to help us sometimes only hurt us. My strongest apologies that you had to suffer what I could never imagine suffering...</p>

<p>If you decide to apply to macalester and end up goign there, I might just see ya. Macalester is actually my second choice school. I really do love it. So if I don't get into Williams I really really hope I get into Macalester. It would be nice to just be accepted ED and not have to apply everywhere, but I guess life isn't usually so easy. </p>

<p>Good luck with your college search Saturnine. You should be very proud of all your academic accomplishments. You seriously are a very strong candidate for top liberal art schools.</p>

<p>Saturnine:</p>

<p>That is an awful story. I'm so sorry.</p>

<p>However, ditch that as your main essay completely. Find something positive to write about.</p>

<p>You don't need to do much explaining for GPA since your are ranked in the top 5% of your class. But, if you feel that you need to explain the semester drop, I would add a note, perhaps from your guidance counselor, priest, or whoever might be appropriate. I would have them be very vague and very brief -- just giving a sentence or two referencing a sexual assault that briefly impacted your performance and how you have bounced back immediately in senior year. </p>

<p>I'm not sure what I would do in this case. To be honest, I might not even mention it unless the fall-off in your grades was dramatic. It's kind of two-edged sword because it was a psychiatrist. Putting aside the assault, colleges are a little hesitant to take on kids with existing counseling issues, so you would prefer to not highlight them in a college app.</p>

<p>Par72: I definitely will check out Holy Cross, thanks. </p>

<p>Leonesa: Good luck again with Williams, and if that doesn't work out, I'm sure you'll love Macalester. </p>

<p>Interesteddad: I agree that I should have a more positive essay topic.. hopefully I'll be able to come up with something good sometime soon. As for the note from my guidance counselor, I asked him for one a while ago, and he told me to write about it myself in my essay. He said that he was not authorized to write about situations like this.<br>
I also struggled with whether or not to mention it at all. But, in my opinion, falling from a 4.0 to a 3.6 is pretty dramatic. Took me from a possible valedictorian to 16th(/447). Anyway, I didn't mention anything about counseling, and I don't plan to.</p>

<p>Saturnine - I made it into Williams. Finally got the letter today. I'm so happy and surprised. But I know I would have loved Macalester, too. It's just nice to not have to apply to anymore schools.</p>

<p>Good luck with your applying Saturnine.</p>

<p>So.. instead of starting a new thread, I thought that I should update this one. I just got deferred from Wheaton (IL), where I applied EA. </p>

<p>Why do no schools want me? Is writing an essay about traumatic circumstances really that bad??<br>
What can I do to improve my chances of getting in at the other schools? I really need help.. so many deadlines are approaching and I don't want to be stuck at home next year. Any input would be greatly apprieciated. Thanks.</p>

<p>Well, now I think less of Wheaton than I did before. Yes, change the essay - Wheaton and Williams are afraid that you will fall apart. Or that you are making it up because it is not backed up by a GC statement. When you are safely in college next year, talk to the guidance department when you are on break and tell them that are a bunch of spineless wimps. </p>

<p>Other schools: Case Western Reserve, Allegheny College - these are my son's safeties (he's a 1460 SAT top 12% good ec's). </p>

<p>Bryn Mawr, Colby - happy schools.</p>

<p>Ohio_mom: Thanks for taking the time to comment. Yes, it would certainly be nice to remind guidance about how THEY (not me) should have discussed the issue in the rec. If nothing else, talking to guidance about that might help to change the supposed policy for next year's seniors.<br>
I'll look into the other schools.. thanks. Good luck with your son.</p>

<p>Thanks for the good wishes for my son - he's beating on his UChicago essays so he needs it! Anyway, please please please keep us posted on how you are doing. You can PM your new essay to me if you want comments since its getting down to the wire.</p>

<p>Oh Saturnine, </p>

<p>My heart goes out to you for what you have had to go through. </p>

<p>Besides being an excellent student, you have incredible grit! You have survived a nearly unimaginable betrayal, and pulled yourself together. I am impressed. Any college would be lucky to have you. I hope your attacker is in jail!</p>

<p>From a "strategic" point of view-- I understand the advice to ditch the current essay. (I would also be happy to proofread a new essay for you.) On the other hand, I emphatically feel that there is nothing that you should have to hide here!!! You were victimized by a predator; this does not and should not taint <em>you</em>!</p>

<p>Maybe there is a different way to write this essay with a survivor's strength as the overriding tone? I have seen essays on parental suicide and anorexia in the "Essays that Worked" book; certainly these topics are as potentially loaded and would send up the same sorts of "red flags" on student stability (however unfair). Maybe there was someone or something during your recovery process that was especially helpful or meaningful that could be the focus of the essay?</p>

<p>Say you do change your essay topic entirely (and as I said, I can fully appreciate the strategy) and you still want to 'explain ' the drop in grades-- clearly your GC is an imbecile; I would not trust him to handle any explanatory note. Could your principal or a trusted teacher could take this on? If not, do it yourself in a supplementary note (very brief, just exactly what was mentioned by interesteddad.) In fact, your class rank and grades are so good you might not even need it.</p>

<p>Re: schools shying away from kids they percieve as 'troubled.' My D is actually my stepD; she was abandoned by her mother as a toddler and she had therapy, to deal with this as well as the ongoing difficulty of her erratic mother, during ages 10-13. Recently during the college search process, many very strong emotions (stemming from impending loss, change; leaving home and making this transition) have come up and she has had a few sessions with her old therapist to "tune up"... </p>

<p>Her therapist told me that he considers it VERY healthy that she's facing these feelings NOW rather than wait till September when she's away from her support systems and when it could blindside her and spoil the joy of going away to school. He said the patients he's seen as kids due to childhood traumas often have 'recurrences' of stress when major life passages occur-- like going to college-- because they mimic childhood developmental passages-- i.e. seperation anxiety-- that were going on when the traumas occured. </p>

<p>These grown kids either face the feelings in advance, like my D is doing, or later-- and the ones who wait tend to get hit harder. How preposterous that a kid dealing with her sorrows or fears head on would be tainted but one suppressing everything would be seen as even keel! It just makes me angry!</p>

<p>I will make one more suggestion: you might want to talk to an Educational Consultant in your area who could give you some perspectives on schools that are less discriminatory in the area of a student with a psychological 'history.' Not to equate the two but to illustrate: one kid we know had overcome a drug problem and a local educational consultant was able to guide her towards schools that had some openness to kids with a drug abuse history, plus services to help, substance free dorms, etc. </p>

<p>If you think you'd rather be fully open about your circumstances there may be a way to handle that. If you'd rather just skirt the whole thing that should be possible too. Obviously this event does not define you and yet it has been significant. The choice is yours and you should do what feels right for you. </p>

<p>If you think there will be an ongoing need for psychological support once you are in school, you should also check out the sorts of services the various colleges have. Many also have womens' centers that are very active regarding rape prevention or recovery that would probably be great resources for you. In fact, thinking about it, maybe a womens college (Smith, wellesley, etc) would have another whole take on the application of a woman who had been raped. It would not surprise me if there was more institutional empathy.</p>

<p>I wish you all the best with your search and I hope you will keep us posted. I wish I could just give you a hug. Good Luck!!</p>

<p>SBmom</p>