<p>Spanks,
You just gave very sage advice. Theres an idiomatic expression One persons meat is another persons poison. Choosing a sorority or fraternity to join is all about fit. Students should visit as many fraternity parties as they can during the first semester so they can see if they can be happy living with the brothers. Choosing based on popularity or random quips on a message board is a huge mistake. The OP has a friend that recommended Llenroc for example he and his friends might fit perfectly well with those guys. Its important to make this decision with an open mind.</p>
<p>agreed. i consider the houses i like to be good houses, and a perfect point is for example cornellchick10 grouped some houses as "other good houses" that i dont consider similar, i.e. sigma phi is very different from phi tau. these 2 are different because they attract different crowds. i know a lot of sigma phi guys, but very few phi kappa tau's. however, this doesnt mean there arent good guys in phi tau.</p>
<p>as for the whole "jewish" house thing. just because a house is jewish by its charter (pike, zbt, tep, and aepi), does not mean it only mixes with jewish sororities (sigma delta tau and alpha epsilon phi). because cornell has 45-ish frats and 12 sororities, it isnt feasible that the 4 jewish frats would only mix with 2 sororities. the good thing about cornell is that the greek scene is pretty mixed. the result is that i know a bunch of guys in pretty much every house on campus. of course i have my favorites, but who doesnt?</p>
<p>and to go back to the original point of this thread, llenroc guys are happy to be in llenroc, im sure. just because i personally dont really know them or love them doesnt mean its not a house worth being in if you feel like you fit in with those guys.</p>
<p>edit to my other post...</p>
<p>sammy (sigma alpha mu) is also a jewish frat. but whatevs, that wasnt the point of my post.</p>
<p>How is the ZBT house at Cornell? I'm a Zebe at Case, and I think I might transfer to Case, so I wanted to see how the house is? It's the oldest chapter in the US...</p>
<p>some of you say that the frats haze.... i was wondering if the sororities tend to haze as well?</p>
<p>ZBT has a good rep at Cornell I would say.</p>
<p>also, sororities don't haze really. Each pledge class is 40+ girls and it's kinda hard to haze that many ppl at once.</p>
<p>panhel (the sorority authority, basically) doesnt have much tolerance for hazing, so you really dont have to worry about hazing if youre a girl. for guys, its much more dependent on the house you pledge. but to answer your question, no, sororities arent even CLOSE to what most frats are like as far as hazing goes.</p>
<p>also id agree and say zbt has a good rep at cornell. the house is kind of far away but the guys are pretty chill. i know a few zbt guys and theyre all good guys. if youre already in zbt at another school id definitely recommend keeping the ties to zbt if you decide to transfer to cornell. its a good move in this case.</p>
<p>it would be cool to be a part of the two oldest zbt chapters in the country.</p>
<p>isnt zbt for the jewish though?</p>
<p>lol "for the Jewish"...</p>
<p>Yes, ZBT is nationally Jewish.</p>
<p>yea it is. i mentioned in a different discussion, i dont remember which though, that even if a frat is jewish it still mixes with any sorority though. its just that the founding charter deems the house jewish. at cornell though there are non-jews in these houses too, althought they still are primarily jewish i think.</p>
<p>Well I feel like ZBT is historically Jewish, and it likes to keep to its roots, but it is more open than say an AEPi or a SAMu. I don't know, may be it's just the house I am in. I didn't mean to totally sway the conversation, I was asking because I'm interested in Cornell, and my fraternity would be a good way to ease the transition.</p>
<p>Overgeneralized Stereotypes:</p>
<p>Specialty Athletic:
Phi Psi - football/swimming
Sig Nu - Football
ATO - Lacrosse/squash
Chi Phi - golf/sprint football/rugby</p>
<p>"Preppy"-
Alpha Delt
Psi U
Sigma Phi
Chi Psi</p>
<p>Cool and Jewish:
Pike
ZBT
TEP</p>
<p>Not very cool and jewish:
AEPi
Sammy</p>
<p>Not exceptionally athletic, preppy, or jewish but regularly mix with good sororities:</p>
<p>SAE
Sigma Chi
Sigma Pi
DU
Phi Tau
Delta Chi</p>
<p>And then there's the others.</p>
<p>i think youre right on track, big red wine. the only thing is i might take phi tau out of there, and in more recent years, chi phi has become less sport-oriented, although theres DEFINITELY still a rugby presence in the house. but for the most part, youre pretty on.</p>
<p>I would add SAE into an preppy athletic category. I would also add Sigma Chi and FIJI into the "Not exceptionally athletic, preppy, or jewish but regularly mix with good sororities" category. correct?</p>
<p>I posted this in the "FIJI Fraternity" thread but I'll repost it here if any of you freshmen are interested.</p>
<p>If any of you new freshmen are wondering, I would say the top 15 houses are (in no particular order):
SAE
Psi U
Alpha Delt
Sigma Pi
Sigma Chi
Sigma Phi
Chi Phi
Chi Psi
DU
FIJI
Phi Psi
Sig Nu
Delta Chi
Phi Tau
that is 14 right there and I guess for #15 I would say ZBT or Pike or whatever other houses mix with DG, Theta, Alpha Phi, Kappa, etc. but I don't think I left any top houses out of the top 15. anyone else wanna add any?</p>
<p>zbt and pike are both better than phi tau</p>
<p>It's tough to characterize SAE as a preppy or athletic house - I think although there's plenty of members that are athletic, preppy, and/or jewish, the house character is such that its members' defining characteristic is "SAE" over any other category, such as preps, or athletes. </p>
<p>Based on the fact that the wild-card category considers mixers with good sororities (top 5 or 6, I think people know what they are - the mystery #6 being on probation 2nd semester), I would say phi tau doesn't technically belong. Along the same lines, I guess Fiji doesn't belong in those categories... similar to phi tau, theta drug, and beta on north campus - they're in another "hit or miss" depending on how their social is feeling that week.</p>
<p>characterizing chi phi - I think they're half athletic, half- the wild card category... just like chi psi is half athletic, half preppy.</p>
<p>yeah tep, pike and zbt despite being jewish should be on that list over phi tau and fiji</p>
<p>despite being jewish?</p>