<p>Hi I'm an rising senior and i'm currently FREAKING OUT about getting into college [due to parental pressure and self-motivation] and i just need to know what are my chances of getting into such a wonderous college such as brown university :]
-My current GPA: 3.75
-SAT score:1850
-Community service hours [up until this point]: over 700 hours
-my school doesn't rank :/
- received a 4 on the US History AP exam & English and Language Composition AP Exam
- received a 3 on the French Language AP exam
- currently the President of my debate team
- involved in numerous clubs [3]
- has no work experience as well as no internships
- Kanas residency</p>
<p>uhhh thats all i can think of at this point but ask if ya need to know more !! [just to delineate a proper picture of my chances!!]</p>
<p>I’m going to be honest: not to be mean, but that SAT will give you 0% chance. The GPA is also very low for an ivy(for your GPA not to hurt you, you would probably need at least a 3.9), especially considering you seem to not have that many APs. You have a good amount of volunteer hours, but otherwise your ECs are average at best(for an ivy). There are TONS of other colleges out there besides the ivy leagues, YOU DONT HAVE TO GO TO AN IVY TO GET A GOOD EDUCATION =]! THERE ARE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF OTHER PLACES YOU CAN GO AND BECOME JUST AS SUCCESSFUL. If your parents are pressuring you to get into ivies, they are unrealistic, out of touch with reality, and basically acting cruel towards you. Expand your search!
Good luck!</p>
<p>so if i raise it up to a 3.8 [since there’s only such little time left] would that better my chances as well? and what does ECs mean? but i understand yurr SAT advice and thank you for it
hmmm would organizing and colllecting books from local libraries to send to deprived children in Awlaw, Nigeria as well as organizing “Jammin for Joplin” inorder to help raise money for the tornado disaster in Joplin, MO count as ECs? also both my parents have english as their second language, but i wouldn’t be the first one to go to college.</p>
<p>ECs means Extracurriculars, and yes those ECS that you just posted are fantastic and above average for even the Ivies. Still I think you probably would be rejected just based on your academics. A 3.8 looks better than a 3.75, but a 3.8 would still be below average out of the upenn applicants, Also, the GPA that you will have to send would be a 3.75 because you will have to apply before first semester next year is over. If your interested in the Philly area, I would consider the next lower tier of schools, ex: Villanova and Bucknell. You stand a very good chance at those and they are still great schools.</p>
<p>Do you have any interest other than the ivies? I’m a rising senior too and the only Ivy i’m slightly considering is upenn. My other choices are all below the Ivies. You can become just as successful at many other schools. Frankly it would be better for you to go to a slightly less prestigious school and excel than to go to Upenn and struggle there. If you have a 3.75 in a Kansas High School, without that many APs, you might struggle academically at a school like Upenn.</p>
<p>well my school is a private, catholic high school in Missouri and quite competitive. our grading scale is a lil different too where 93% - 100% is an A and 85% - 92% is a B but also here’s some other info about me:
I love community service and always want to advocate for the common good so I would love to major in legal studies or history. To be evident to my passion, I volunteer for an organization called Youth Court in which the volunteers are attorneys for teens who’ve committed first-time misdemanor crimes, i’ve been apart of this program for about 4 years now.
Some special awards I’ve gotten include a Presidential Service award [bronze] and two other Presidential Service Awards [silver]. My school also offers academic awards based on a GPA greater than 3.65 throughout the school year so I’ve received numerous of those. Also, i’m the Vice President of the NAACP youth council in my area.
And then for debate, me and my partner placed 6th for the regional KCPLD tournment and i placed 9th place for Top Speakers of the Year. In addition I recieved a bar as well as a Degree of Distinction from the National Forensic League
I’m also planning to retake the SAT in october and score higher! :]
but here’s the list of other AP’s:
AP US History
AP English Language & Composition
AP French Language
AP English Literature [for senior year]
AP European History [for senior year]</p>
<p>you should have posted all this the first time!
Ok so your EC’s are amazing, you will probably have good recs and a good essay.
Your class rigor is adequate, although not outstanding.
Your grades are a little on the low side, but they won’t keep you out.
Right now I think your SAT will still keep you out. If you score over 2000, I’d say you have about a 50-50 and if you score over a 2100 I would think that you would be a match(most likely get in).ALSO, take the ACT! you might score better. I got a 1960 on my SAT, which is about equal to a 29, and on the ACT i got a 34. I know some people who are the opposite of me, it all just depends what type of learner you are. But STILL you and everyone else, need to get over the whole ivy thing and still consider others. You have a chance at the ivies, but they shouldn’t be your only option and you shouldn’t be crushed if you don’t get in. Honestly, there are schools that aren’t ivies that are ranked higher than the ivies and prestige doesn’t matter as much as you think ;]. Hope I helped and sorry if I came off mean.</p>
<p>Raise your SAT score, nail those essays, and get some good recommendations and you have solid shot at Penn except for Wharton. If you went for Wharton, I would say you have a pretty below average shot of getting in.</p>
<p>wait how do you go to a Missouri school, but live in Kansas? lol </p>
<p>@stewta4: for someone who is only a rising senior, you seem to know alot about UPenn admissions. Or you act like it, at least. I don’t know how many people you know from UPenn, but i know a lot, and i know that all of them didn’t score above 2000. So how can you make a generalization that if someone has an 1850 they have a 0% chance of getting in? Are you an adcom…? No. Of course i’m not saying that the OP still has a great chance with that score…he probably doesn’t. But he doesn’t have NO chance either. Sometimes if the character of the person stands out, then SAT’s can be overlooked. Of course, 1850 isn’t horrible either. All he needs is 150 more points to make 2000. But obviously OP is dedicated, i mean 700 comm service hours is awesommmmee. And he obviously has great accomplishments. Coming from Kansas might even raise his chances, but with admissions, you just never know.</p>
<p>One of my biggest problems with these chance threads if that the fact that people give each other opinions without any specific knowledge about the school they are coming from. High schools really vary a lot in terms of GPA and course offerings. Stewta4, you say that you probably need at least a 3.9 GPA for an ivy, and while that is probably true for many high schools there are many exceptions. To be in the top 10% of my high school class, one only needed to have around a 3.5 if they had taken the most rigorous schedule. This was because As were given pretty sparingly. I was once in an English class that had only 4 people out of the 50 kids the teacher taught receive a solid A. So when applying to college my classmates were typically very stressed out because their GPAs were usually significantly lower than GPAs for other top students at other high schools. However my high school did and always does very well in college admissions which shows that GPA is looked at in the context of your individual high school.</p>
<p>Poeme is misleading you. I honestly think due to your academics you have little to no chance unless URM, some people that get into ivies have lower GPAs however they go to competitive schools, one thing they look for that you would have if it would be a competitive school would be like having a B in ap bio, but having a 5 on the exam, since you dont have any 5’s it doesnt give any credence to being hard school, makes it even look worse, because vice versa a 4.0 gpa with like 3 and 4s on ap makes the classes look easy and not serious</p>
<p>@wilddreams, if you actually read the OP’s very FIRST post, in which i responded by saying he/she had zero chance, all they said was a 3.75 gpa, with a 3 and 4 AP exam score, which BernieMadoff pointed out means that getting a 3.75 at his/her high school obviously isnt like getting a 3.75 at Peome’s high school, 700 service hours, and a member of 3 unnamed clubs. IDK about you, but, before the OP described their extensive and outstanding EC’s(which i then changed my opinion), a person with those average EC’s and slightly below average GPA, with an SAT that is extremely low for any top 25 school, would have zero chance. And yes I do not know that much about any school besides what I have researched independently, but one of the main points on chance threads is simply to receive someone else’s opinion, and so while I may not be very qualified, I at least have a semi-informed opinion and answered the OP’s question with intent to help him and bring a new perspective.</p>
<p>@stewta: you said “with that SAT you have a zero chance.” So you were talking about SAT alone, which is incorrect because as i have said, i know people with similar scores that got in. But this isn’t to be misleading; that score is still low for Ivies and the ones i know who got into Penn with that kind of score had outstanding things on their profile. I guess all i’m saying is that no one has a zero chance, just like no one has a 100% chance. The SAT score isn’t atrocious compared to hundreds of thousands of other kids in the country. But as you have implied, it isn’t great either.</p>
<p>I’m not attempting to chance this person at all, what I wrote is just an observation I have. For obicc12, their test scores are significantly lower than those of most of my classmates (we rarely ever talk about SAT scores in college since pretty much everyone here seems to accept that they really don’t mean too much but from what I have heard on a few occasions) and it seems that their GPA is also not as good, but again it is hard to judge this very accurately without more information. Essays, recommendations, and extracurriculars are also very important though and those are all very subjective so no one online can really tell you anything useful about those.</p>
<p>Describe your chances? I hate chance threads because no one can accurately describe your chances. I can tell you that those test scores won’t cut it unless you have some trick up your sleeve, which looking at your GPA isn’t going to be that. Make sure you apply to schools other than Brown and Penn.</p>
<p>Your SAT score isn’t competitive for Brown or UPenn and your GPA won’t help you. Your ECs are pretty good. If you’re really passionate about something and can show it through an essay, get outstanding teacher recs, rescore with a much higher SAT, get all or almost all 5s on your future AP courses, and demonstrate why you want to go to these schools, apply to them as reaches.</p>