<p>Datalook are you a Stanford student?</p>
<p>^^I'm convinced that he's a corrupted data compiler in the Stanford computing facility. At one time he served a vital role there, but now he just spits out garbage.</p>
<p>hey, Hrteeexz, I didn't even apply to Stanford mostly because I didn't really like the vibe and I wanted to stay on the east coast, and I am going to MIT for many reasons that do not include its ubiquitous nerd culture, but I feel like a post as well written, clearly argued and interesting as your long one deserves some recognition! keep posting.</p>
<p>Collegealum314,</p>
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^^I'm convinced that he's a corrupted data compiler in the Stanford computing facility. At one time he served a vital role there, but now he just spits out garbage.
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<p>Nice comments! Used to believe you are a gentlemen. But now start to doubt that.</p>
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Datalook are you a Stanford student?
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<p>Never been California. Stanford is just my dream. It is the university I admire most.</p>
<p>It was a joke. My friend kismet actually thought of it. She didn't appreciate the whole "Stanford kicking MIT's ass at comp sci." comment.</p>
<p>Here is a pic of her laughing at you...</p>
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Stanford has created a significant number of such technology breakthroughs as microprocessor, internet TCP/IP protocol, GPS, klystron (the foundation of RADAR), the world's 1st working laser (ruby laser), google serch engine, gene slicing, DNA micro-array, gene-chip, the 1st expert system DENDRAL, the 1st robot cart (Stanford cart), the 1st programmable robot arm (Stanford ARM), 56k modem, DSL broad band internet connection, SUN work station and etc, obviously more than MIT.
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<p>"Obviously" more? Shall we cross swords again, datalook?</p>
<p>Look, I said it before, I'll say it again. I believe that both Stanford and MIT are excellent technical schools. I don't believe that MIT holds a significant edge over Stanford. On the other hand, I don't believe Stanford holds a significant edge over MIT, and certainly not be enough to make it "obvious".</p>
<p>First of all, MIT is a great school. No doubt. </p>
<p>MIT is one of the top science and engineering schools. Is MIT really THE top science/engineering school? I don't think so. </p>
<p>In science, Harvard, Stanford, and Berkeley have more faculty members selected into the national academy of science. Stanford and Harvard have claimed more national medal of sciences than MIT. Berkeley and MIT are even by this measure.</p>
<p>In engineering, MIT has the most faculty members selected into national academy of engineering, followed by Stanford and Berkeley. But if you look at the last 30 or 40 years, Stanford has done more in advancing modern technologies. That is just my opinion. You may agree or disagree.</p>
<p>In terms of computer science, I do think Stanford is obviously better. Even though in US NEWS, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, and CMU are tied as #1, there are plenty of reasons to say Stanford is the best of the best. 1) if you look at the Turing award winners, Stanford has most ties: 18, without even counting the visiting professors. Berkeley, CMU, and MIT trail behind. 2) IN the most respected NRC ranking, Stanford is #1, followed by MIT, Berkeley, and CMU. 3) in the bussinessweek's ranking, Stanford is #1 again. 4) The number of famous IT companies founded by Stanford can not be matched by any other university: H-P, Yahoo, Google, CISCO, SUN, and Silicon Graphics. 5) Most importantly, Stanford faculty and students have created lots of IT inventions. MIT has no way to match that. If you don't believe me, try to match Stanford's following contributions:</p>
<p>microprocessor (Ted Hoff, Stanford Ph.D)
internet TCP/IP (Vint Cerf, Stanford B.S., former prof)
56k modem (Brent Townshend, Stanford ph.d, former prof)
DSL (John Cioffi, Stanford M.S., Ph.d, former prof)
Google search engine (Sergy and Brin, Stanford M.S., Ph.d drop-out)
Altavista search engine (Paul Flaherty, Stanford Ph.D)
multiprotocol internet router (Bill Yeager, Stanford engineer)
ethernet (Bob Metcalf, former Stanford prof, and Dave Boggs, Stanford M.S.)
YAHOO (Fillo and Yang, Stanford M.S., and Ph.d drop out)
SUN work Station (Andy Bechtoshelm, Stanford ph.d drop out)
RISC (John Hennessy, Stanford prof)
TEX and "The art of computer programming" (Don Knuth, Stanford prof)
LISP and time sharing (John McCarthy)
PASCAL (Niclous Wirth, former prof)
Microsoft Word (Charles Simonyi, Stanford Ph.d)
Computer mouse (Doug Engelbart, former Stanford researcher)
1st expert system DENDRAL (ED Feigenbaum and Bruce Bachanan, Stanford prof.s)
1st computer controled Vehicle "Stanford cart"
1st computer controled robot arm "Stanford ARM" (Victor Scheiman, Stanford Ph.d and former prof)
public key cryptography (Martin Hellman-ph.d. and prof, Ralph Merkel - ph.d, Ron Rivest - Ph.d and former prof)
digital music sythesis (John Chowning, ph.d and prof)
Stanley, the driverless car that won 1995 DARPA Challenge (Ssbastian Thrun, Stanford prof)</p>
<p>If you still think MIT leads Stanford by a hair in computer science, please see if you can find MIT's inventions to match the above list. One by one match please.</p>
<p>Oh dear, not this again...</p>
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First of all, MIT is a great school. No doubt. </p>
<p>MIT is one of the top science and engineering schools. Is MIT really THE top science/engineering school? I don't think so. </p>
<p>In science, Harvard, Stanford, and Berkeley have more faculty members selected into the national academy of science. Stanford and Harvard have claimed more national medal of sciences than MIT. Berkeley and MIT are even by this measure.</p>
<p>In engineering, MIT has the most faculty members selected into national academy of engineering, followed by Stanford and Berkeley. But if you look at the last 30 or 40 years, Stanford has done more in advancing modern technologies. That is just my opinion. You may agree or disagree.</p>
<p>In terms of computer science, I do think Stanford is obviously better. Even though in US NEWS, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, and CMU are tied as #1, there are plenty of reasons to say Stanford is the best of the best. 1) if you look at the Turing award winners, Stanford has most ties: 18, without even counting the visiting professors. Berkeley, CMU, and MIT trail behind. 2) IN the most respected NRC ranking, Stanford is #1, followed by MIT, Berkeley, and CMU. 3) in the bussinessweek's ranking, Stanford is #1 again. 4) The number of famous IT companies founded by Stanford can not be matched by any other university: H-P, Yahoo, Google, CISCO, SUN, and Silicon Graphics. 5) Most importantly, Stanford faculty and students have created lots of IT inventions. MIT has no way to match that. If you don't believe me, try to match Stanford's following contributions:</p>
<p>microprocessor (Ted Hoff, Stanford Ph.D)
internet TCP/IP (Vint Cerf, Stanford B.S., former prof)
56k modem (Brent Townshend, Stanford ph.d, former prof)
DSL (John Cioffi, Stanford M.S., Ph.d, former prof)
Google search engine (Sergy and Brin, Stanford M.S., Ph.d drop-out)
Altavista search engine (Paul Flaherty, Stanford Ph.D)
multiprotocol internet router (Bill Yeager, Stanford engineer)
ethernet (Bob Metcalf, former Stanford prof, and Dave Boggs, Stanford M.S.)
YAHOO (Fillo and Yang, Stanford M.S., and Ph.d drop out)
SUN work Station (Andy Bechtoshelm, Stanford ph.d drop out)
RISC (John Hennessy, Stanford prof)
TEX and "The art of computer programming" (Don Knuth, Stanford prof)
LISP and time sharing (John McCarthy)
PASCAL (Niclous Wirth, former prof)
Microsoft Word (Charles Simonyi, Stanford Ph.d)
Computer mouse (Doug Engelbart, former Stanford researcher)
1st expert system DENDRAL (ED Feigenbaum and Bruce Bachanan, Stanford prof.s)
1st computer controled Vehicle "Stanford cart"
1st computer controled robot arm "Stanford ARM" (Victor Scheiman, Stanford Ph.d and former prof)
public key cryptography (Martin Hellman-ph.d. and prof, Ralph Merkel - ph.d, Ron Rivest - Ph.d and former prof)
digital music sythesis (John Chowning, ph.d and prof)
Stanley, the driverless car that won 1995 DARPA Challenge (Ssbastian Thrun, Stanford prof)</p>
<p>If you still think MIT leads Stanford by a hair in computer science, please see if you can find MIT's inventions to match the above list. One by one match please.
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<p>Datalook, how about we just cut and paste from our old posts?</p>
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Datalook, how about we just cut and paste from our old posts?
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<p>Sakky, my friend, do what ever you want. But this time take it more seriously though. Match the list one by one. And don't dodge my question: how many Turing award winners have you found for MIT?</p>
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<p>Isn't this because Harvard, Stanford and Berkeley are larger institutions than MIT? I think it's kind of meaningless to say just because School A has more inventions/awards than School B, it's a better school. Personally I wouldn't know how to rank MIT and Stanford; their both unique schools with their own strengths and weaknesses. Plus, just because past Stanford graduates have founded companies and made breakthroughs doesn't mean anyone going there is destined to do the same. Frankly, I don't quite understand why datalook is going through such lengths to convince people that Stanford is better than MIT. They're both awesome schools.</p>
<p>^^MIT has quite a few well-known inventions/breakthroughs of its own...</p>
<p>"ethernet (Bob Metcalf, former Stanford prof, and Dave Boggs, Stanford M.S.)"</p>
<p>Where did this guy get his bachelor's degree? MIT.</p>
<p>"Metcalfe was born in 1946, in Brooklyn, NY. He attended MIT where he earned degrees in electrical engineering and business management. He then earned a master's degree in applied mathematics from Harvard. While working on his Ph.D. in computer science at Harvard, he took a job at MIT building the hardware that would link MIT to the ARPANET. For a 1972 ARPANET conference he wrote an introductory pamphlet entitled Scenarios. The booklet included 19 scenarios for using the ARPANET, listed available resources at the various sites, and basic usage instructions."</p>
<p>A few MIT accomplishments off the top of my head:</p>
<p>1.) stereoselective synthesis: awarded Nobel Prize in chemistry--this is very important because drugs are chiral and their enantiomers are sometimes toxic</p>
<p>2.) ethernet -- Metcalfe went to MIT and he developed the ethernet before he got to Stanford</p>
<p>3.) if you want to list Metcalfe as a Stanford guy because he ended up being a prof there, then we can list the discovery of CFCs and their effect on the ozone, which resulted in a Nobel Prize for one of our profs (Molina)</p>
<p>4.) inertial guidance</p>
<p>5.) MIT student Claude Shannon was the first to apply Boolean logic to digital circuit design</p>
<p>6.) Edgerton develops high-speed photography</p>
<p>7.) penicillin and vitamin A first synthesized at MIT</p>
<p>8.) robot (Kismet) developed to simulate human emotions <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/MITKismet.jpg%5B/url%5D">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/MITKismet.jpg</a></p>
<p>9.) Stanford may have discovered radar, but MIT was the institution that was primarily responsible for developing it for use in WWII.</p>
<p>10.) controlled drug delivery invented by MIT grad and professor Robert Langer--this is probably the biggest discovery in chemical engineering/biomedical engineering in the past 25 years.</p>
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Sakky, my friend, do what ever you want. But this time take it more seriously though. Match the list one by one. And don't dodge my question: how many Turing award winners have you found for MIT?
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<p>Datalook, you can do what you want, but this time, I recommend that YOU take it more seriously. I believe you conceded in the previous thread that MIT's accomplishments were quite impressive. </p>
<p>Don't dodge my questions: what is MIT's engineering ranking in USNews? How many engineering categories in the NRC does MIT have a higher ranking than Stanford?</p>
<p>Quick everyone get defensive</p>
<p>why the **** must we have this same discussion every other month</p>
<p>both MIT and Stanford suck, Caltech pwnz, lolz.</p>
<p>^^thank you for your contribution.</p>