didn't get in? A 2nd way to get the UCSB experience

<p>With admission decisions coming in the next few weeks, I wanted to pass along some advice to those who didn't get in. If ucsb was a top choice there is a "backdoor" way to get much of the experience of being a UCSB student. You can live right with the UCSB students, get a UCSB diploma, and spend 4 years enjoying the same social life, campus events, groups, etc. that UCSB students do. The only difference is that for a year or two you won't be taking classes on the UCSB campus, and there's even a partial way around that!</p>

<p>I'm posting this now so that you have time to think it over and investigate, since some of the deadlines are in March. You should consider an appeal to ucsb as well, but the odds of this succeeding have historically been small. First off, don't take it personally. They haven't judged you and found you wanting. It's a numbers thing. Due to the boom in HS graduates and the increasing cost of privates, more students are turning to the UCs every year and they don't have room for everyone who's qualified. Students are being turned down today who would have gotten in even a few years ago. Although it stings to be turned down, you need to figure out your best strategy for what to do next, and that's the purpose of this post.</p>

<p>In a nutshell, the advice is attend Santa Barbara City College (SBCC) for 2 years, enrolling in the guaranteed transfer program. Live in private dorms right by the ucsb campus the 1st year, in IV the next 3 (just like the 4-year kids do). Take part in campus life, and finish up with the ucsb diploma. And if you have a lot of AP credit it gets even better; maybe you can spend just 1 year at sbcc and 3 at ucsb (more on that later).</p>

<p>Many students refuse to consider a community college because they want the full "college experience" and want to spend 4 years at the same place making friends, learning the ropes of the school, and getting to know the area. That's where ucsb is different, though. It's one of the few residential colleges in CA where students live on/near campus. So if you live in the community adjoining ucsb ("Isla Vista" AKA "IV"), you'll be in a much better position than a junior just showing up for the 1st time. By living in IV you can take advantage of the social opportunities, you'll be living in the same place as ucsb students, you can attend campus events and activities. You can participate in intramural sports at ucsb at a slightly higher fee than students pay, and you can join many of the same career-related clubs as a non-voting member. See <a href="http://www.sa.ucsb.edu/orgs/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sa.ucsb.edu/orgs/&lt;/a> to contact clubs you're interested in and see if they allow sbcc students to join. And you can even join the ucsb Rec Center and use the weight room, climbing wall, etc.</p>

<p>A big concern of many frosh is where to live. One advantage of being a 4-year student at most colleges is you start out in a dorm with meals taken care of, an RA for advice, you instantly get to know some kids at the college because they live on your floor, and so on. Turns out that you can do much the same thing at SBCC. There are 2 private dorms right by the ucsb campus that house SBCC students. See <a href="http://www.sbcc.cc.ca.us/housing/index.php?sec=784%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sbcc.cc.ca.us/housing/index.php?sec=784&lt;/a> Note, though, that some deadlines for dorms are in March. Even though they aren't the official ucsb-owned dorms, you'll still get a lot of the same1st-year experience. And 2nd year you find an apartment in IV, which is what most ucsb students do anyway after frosh year. Given the size of ucsb your neighbors aren't going to know you go to sbcc until you tell them; they'll just assume they haven't run into you on campus.</p>

<p>Now that we've talked about living in the ucsb community, lets talk about that ucsb diploma. As a transfer student you get the same one a 4-year student does; nowhere does it say "junior transfer". Your BA or BS degree is from ucsb, period. UCSB has a guaranteed transfer program with the community colleges, so you will KNOW you're getting in. At SBCC it is run thru the Transfer Academy (see <a href="http://tinyurl.com/235g77%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/235g77&lt;/a&gt;) with counselors who know what you need to do. They offer honors course, as well as counseling and contact with ucsb. After you've completed a semester at SBCC you can take a ucsb class for credit each quarter (paying a LOT less than the ucsb students, BTW!). You can get the guarantee program at any CC, including the one in your community. But you'll miss out on the setting and social environment those 1st 2 years that probably is part of why you wanted to go to ucsb in the first place. It turns out SBCC sends more than any other CC to ucsb, because it attracts students who enrolled to do exactly what I'm suggesting.</p>

<p>The news may be even better if you have a lot of AP credit. You may be able to get in after just 1 year and spend 3 more at ucsb! Here's how. In order to enter ucsb as a transfer, you have to be a junior. Being a junior just means you have a certain number of units, but those units can be AP credit and CC classes. Keep in mind, too, that nothing says you have to take an AP class to take the AP test. Even if you're not in that many AP classes right now, if you are really motivated you could learn the material between now and May for a few of the easier subjects. All you're risking is your time and the test fees. Lets suppose you have 45 units of AP credit (the ucsb Catalog for this is at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2fnxxw%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2fnxxw&lt;/a&gt;) plus enough CC to make you a junior. You enter ucsb after one year. Now it might seem like you have only 2 years left at ucsb since you started as a junior, but it looks like you can ignore the AP credit once you're at ucsb (except for duplicating classes). Right on the official UC systemwide website at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nw6cn%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/nw6cn&lt;/a> it says
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The units granted for AP tests are not counted toward the maximum number of credits required for formal declaration of an undergraduate major or the maximum number of units a student may accumulate prior to graduation from the University. Students who enter the University with AP credit do not have to declare a major earlier than other students, nor are they required to graduate earlier.

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I'm not an adcom so I can't promise you this will work, but if this might apply to you then by all means contact ucsb admissions and find out!</p>

<p>In summary, even if you aren't fortunate enough to be accepted to ucsb as a frosh there are ways to enjoy most of the same things those enrolled for all 4 years do, including ending up with that ucsb diploma.</p>

<p>Great advice!</p>

<p>thanks! I loved my time at UCSB and know that a lot of other people really want to go there too. Over the past 3 years I've seen a few people post in this forum who didn't get in and were searching for a way to make it happen. But by the time a few back-and-forth posts happen and they try an appeal, deadlines for the dorms have passed. After seeing a few "I wish I knew then" posts I decided to post this in advance of the decisions last year, and am repeating it this year.</p>

<p>I'm not an adcom or an official rep of UCSB in any capacity, but if there is some question that you have I might be able to answer please post away! I'll give you an answer or tell you that I don't know and suggest who might have the answer.</p>

<p>Im thinking about transferring down to UCSB for next fall, if I dont get into UCLA.</p>

<p>My only concern is I really want to get transfer dorm housing, but its on a lottery system, and I dont know anyone down there so I would want to live in the dorms to meet people and make the transition easier.</p>

<p>it depends what you want to get out of your experience, but the transfer dorms aren't very exciting... i would recommend the university owned apartments if you are looking for a better social life...</p>

<p>bumping this up so people see it. Congrats to those that got in, and for those that didn't remember that even if you don't get in as a frosh there are other ways to get that ucsb diploma (if that's what you want instead of one of your other options).</p>

<p>last bump ...</p>