<p>So, I was wondering if anyone or anyone's "friend" has been dishonest or stretched the truth a bit on the UC app and still got accepted (this year or previous years)? Or, conversely, has anyone been called on their false statements and been denied, or had to provide evidence to save their ass from being denied? On second thought, let's not restrict this to UC's but open it up to any university. Lay your stories on me people.</p>
<p>I guess I could start...</p>
<p>I don't know if you would consider this lying (definitely dishonest), but my sister wrote her ex-husband's personal statement for UCSB and the bastard got accepted. His gpa was super low and he even had to repeal, which my sister also wrote the repeal for him. But, what a bunch of crap. He totally didn't deserve to be accepted, and worse, he took someone else's spot who was more deserving. Foreshame.</p>
<p>wow who cares ? are you claiming if you had a chance to get in you wouldn’t have ? You do realize only 19% of the admits actually go to UCSB right ?</p>
<p>The posts above just further prove how unethical and hypocritical our society is. While I do think OP’s post sounds like a rant, I understand how he feels; the UC system feels the same way, which is why they specifically state that you write your own personal statement. </p>
<p>While he got away with it this time, eventually his unethical behavior will catch up. Just think about it, if he cannot write a paper-due to inability or laziness-how do you think he will survive at school or at work? It will catch up to him-eventually.</p>
<p>No it won’t. This isn’t the twilight zone. Karma doesn’t exist, and if it did it wouldn’t try to get back at some petty miscreant. I would argue that being unethical will help his chances in life, seeing as all the fat cats on wall street, who would sell their grandmothers liver for a few shillings, are living it up. In fact, it seems to me that the most unethical people that have ever lived have always managed to will themselves to power. I’m not saying that you should lie, I’m saying that most moral claims are misleading superstitions, if not all of them, and the quote above falls into that category. I could care less if he lied, or told the truth, or bribed someone, or saved a baby from a burning house. None of that is my concern.</p>
<p>I disagree with lintij. It will eventually catch up with him. The “fat cats” on wallstreet, although it may be argued that they are “unethical”, they are infact extremely smart. Many of them have degrees in mathematics and MBAs. Being unethical may get SMART people ahead, if you are dumb you are screwed. Ethics or not, stupidity WILL catch up with you.</p>
<p>^They’re smart at being fat-cats on wallstreet. I know a few of them; they’re generally not as intelligent as their salary may indicate, but they do have very strong work ethics and know how to play the game. Maybe this is just from my small sample size, but I’ve heard similar things before. </p>
<p>Anyways I think most people stretch the truth on their apps, if not say a flat out lie. Especially in the personal statements, when a white-lie may be needed to simplify the narrative. And when you’re estimating the hours you’ve done an activity and aren’t sure if it is 4 or 5 hours per week, which one will you put down knowing that there is say a 50% chance you are lying if you put 5?</p>
<p>Lying is always gonna happen. Hell my roommate once bs-ed an entire resume to get some awesome (at the time) jobs. The risk is always there, so go for it if you’re willing to take it.</p>
<p>if you havent B.S.ed by now, you havent learned about how the world works yet.</p>
<p>do it in moderation and cover ur bases, there should be truth in the heart of it. </p>
<p>is it ethical?</p>
<p>my response:
its unethical that other people make it acceptable to be dishonest so lets question the system first before questioning ourselves, the product of that system.</p>
<p>“do it in moderation and cover ur bases, there should be truth in the heart of it.” = my life motto… But I’m a timid person who BSes very well, so I use it sparingly. I don’t want my luck to run out. Although I actually agree with EVERYTHING lintij said (first time for everything), I also believe in karma and luck. Perhaps it’s a product of my own mind, but I like to think if I use it only when it’s really worth it, I’ll get where I want to go.</p>