<p>I have this absolutely PSYCHO art teacher this year. She takes everything SO seriously, acts as though we're doing university level art when really it is grade 10 art, and expects us to do stuff in our art books when she didn't even tell us to do it! For example, we were studying art deco and she suggested that we got some other pictures of art deco and stuck them in our books. She didn't say we had to, she just said if we wanted to, and then the next week we had book inspection, and me and the rest of the class (apart from two people who actually did it) got yelled at and she threatened to give me a D!!!
Anyway I am freaking out because I always get A's in art and now I might get a D and I am scared that that will hurt my chances of getting into my first choice (deerfield)
Pleeeeease help me! Thanks :)</p>
<p>they will definitely care. because most of the applicants go the extra mile to do those kind of things.</p>
<p>They do care. Unless you’re minority/athlete/international contest winner, you have no excuse and it’ll hurt your chance.</p>
<p>You should probably try to bring that up. But do you want to know a secret?</p>
<p>ifailedfrenchanddidn’tgetrejectedfromanywhere.</p>
<p>where did you apply to bamagirl95?</p>
<p>Blair, Tabor, Stevenson, HPA, SPS</p>
<p>(although I did get waitlisted from St. Paul’s, but its technically not a rejection!)</p>
<p>I don’t think so. How do the teachers give you “art grades”? I mean for math, you have tests and scores then what about art? They GRADE your paintings? Wow that’s just ridiculous. Would Picasso even pass?</p>
<p>gonnastop: we have a test a semester but I do good in those, I am just worried because she was really harsh on my art book (as I said above) and I have also been sick so I have missed out on doing some of my project, and I don’t know if she’ll let me finish it…
But yes they do grade your paintings and pots and ect.
I don’t think I will necessarily get a D, but I know I wont get an A</p>
<p>Maybe you can go talk to her? Well I reside in China and here they do grade your paintings. Unfortunately, I’m not a fan of drawing and get high 70s. The ridiculous part is that, as we don’t have “art” in the one and only high school entrance exam, the school doesn’t even have music, art, computer studies, elective class this year! …really sad</p>
<p>Okay, back to the topic, are your confident with your work? Then talk to her!!! It doesn’t hurt! And if this still doesn’t work…I don’t think they care THAT much and maybe you can explain it in the application.</p>
<p>Boardingschool </p>
<p>YOU ARE OUT OF LINE with your racialliy biased posts. </p>
<p>I’m getting pretty sick of posts like that and so is everyone else.</p>
<p>I pity the school that took you and give credit to the 10 that didn’t.</p>
<p>@ExieMIT: I think boardingschool just meant that unless you have a major hook they will look closely at ** all ** your grades.
Though what he said about ilovethatree having no excuse is very mean and wrong.</p>
<p>I don’t think she meant to be hurtful.</p>
<p>But her generalization IS hurtful to kids like my daughter who interviewed with a great resume and was still looked at with suspicion by “other” parents who were interviewing - as if being a URM gave her special privileges. It didn’t help when we were at one school and a set of parents shot daggers at her for having a jovial conversation with teachers who weren’t part of the interview team. Never mind it’s because she actually MADE the effort to talk and joke with them, which caused them to call over other faculty members to meet her. At another school, parents talked to each other but not us until it was clear I was an alum and then they got all friendly and offered to get me coffee. Sigh.</p>
<p>I want the stigma to stop - and boardingschool admits she isn’t from this country which means her knowledge of the system is based on conjecture - it’s like learning cultural norms from wikipedia.</p>
<p>To imply that the schools don’t look as carefully at grades when you’re a URM is just plain wrong and leaves kids stuck fighting that stereotype. Especially when I know that a lot of “white” kids get more favors than other subsets (legacies, politically connected, etc.). </p>
<p>If she wants to come to boarding school - she needs to first stop perpetuating stereotypes in her advice - even if she means well. And think about other posters on this board who are sick of being categorized that way. It’s just plain wrong.</p>
<p>they dont care . if you tell them u have a c in art but an a in math they will laugh at you. they mostly only care about the core subjects</p>
<p>@ ExieMITAlum: wow, I planned to ignore you but you went too far - bringing up the racial issue and ad hominem attack. </p>
<p>On CC, it’s widely acknowledged that URM/athlete/legacy are some of the major hooks. And in admission, minority means many things, not just race. People who read my posts understand them in this context and know that I never intended to be racist or anything. You’re the only one who built up the whole story and started finger wagging?!? From my post above, you could attack me for being elitist or athlete-hater too, why just “racist”? :)</p>
<p>If you want to argue about affirmative action and races (blah blah), probably go somewhere else, because your posts are way off topic and do not help the topic starter. There’s a research paper about race and admission, so my statement is backed with data and not merely speculation [Wiley</a> InterScience :: Session Cookies](<a href=“http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118763875/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0]Wiley”>http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118763875/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0)</p>
<p>Yes you can keep painting a pink world for your kids, but I’ll KEEP POSTING that URM/athlete/legacy are hooks. It’s a forum where people can express their opinions (if I violated any forum rule, I’d have been banned). I stand by everything I posted, and I even think you owe me an apology.</p>
<p>I would be so ashamed if my parent sit there all day to frequent some kid’s forum and ignite this kind of drama/ad hominem attack (especially against a “colored” kid, saying that she’s racist?!?) If you ventured that far to track down that I didn’t get accepted by ~ 10 schools (actually 8 waitlists and 2 rejects on FA basis), you probably have read that it was because I’m poor and ask for a lot of FA. So saying that “I’m happy they all rejected you” sounds very mean to me too. The few schools that accepted me and gave generous FA specifically stated that it was diversity/minority scholarship - otherwise I wouldn’t have gotten in.</p>
<p>How sad for you that schools told you that your only advantage was your minority status.</p>
<p>For the most part what I object to is what you stated above (you can read your own posts can’t you?) - that schools overlook poor grades for minorities. And you dishonor a lot of kids who do better than that.</p>
<p>But yes - every now and then - with my daughter’s blessing - I counter the musings of a student who acts as an expert never having spent any time on the campuses AS a student but using lots of web generated information to bolster them.</p>
<p>But I supposed you could be speaking from personal experience. I’ll be watching to see how you fare at your “chosen” school - especially since, reading your previous posts you didn’t indicate you’d gotten into any school until late in the game.</p>
<p>Fess up - what school took you?</p>
<p>How old are you? Aren’t you ashamed of yourself? You chose to interpret my statement in your biased way and created drama. Even if you want to talk about affirmative action, read this paper first to see if you have any data/serious research to counter-argue [Wiley</a> InterScience :: Session Cookies](<a href=“http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118763875/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0]Wiley”>http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118763875/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0)</p>
<p>To quote my own post: “Unless you’re minority/athlete/international contest winner…” You could attack me for being elitist or athlete-hater too, why just “racist”?</p>
<p>My point is that this thread isn’t about race, my post was about hooks - as everyone else understood. I hope the “racism” discussion ends here (you shouldn’t have brought it up in the first place). I certainly will say the schools’ names after I get a sincere apology from you.</p>
<p>guys! calm down! just agree to disagree!!!
oh and p,s what is a URM?</p>
<p>URM stands for “Under Represented Minority”, generally an African American, Hispanic or Native American applicant.</p>
<p>I understand why ExieMITAlum is upset. It is too often assumed that URM status is a free ride to an exclusive private education. This just isn’t the case. While URM status may be a hook (like being a talented bassoon horn player, a highly-ranked squash player or the daughter of the French teacher) that can get the application from the highly qualified pile into the admit pile, it isn’t going to get the URM’s application into the pile of admissible candidates to begin with.</p>
<p>Boardingschool asked why ExieMITAlum wasn’t upset at the fact that s/he included jocks and legacies in the category of those whose way is greased. I can’t speak for ExieMITAlum but I can give my perspective.</p>
<p>Once a legacy or otherwise highly connected candidate is admitted it’s usually possible to keep that connection secret and for the new admittee to largely ignore the connection. I remember a conversation with a college trustee who commented that her school will temporarily rename a meeting room which had formerly carried the family name of a recently admitted legacy in order to make the new student feel more comfortable on campus. There are those few big-buck legacy candidates who can’t get away with this (“You’re Hubert Huffnagle…as in Huffnagle library?”) but most kids who have a non-talent hook can cover that fact up once they get to campus. No one walks around campus with “I’m from North Dakota” or “My grandfather donated the science wing” tattooed on their forehead. URMs don’t have the luxury of hiding their hook. As ExieMITAlum indicated, URMs are visibly different and therefore targeted.</p>
<p>Highly qualified legacy candidates can also choose not to attend the institution with which their families have connections. No one has to know that school A was aware of a candidate’s family’s great history of giving at school B when they slipped the file into the admit pile. No matter where they go a URM is faced with the perception that they have a leg up in admissions and may, in fact, be an inferior student.</p>
<p>Superior athletes are often treated with some of the same disdain and low expectations but at least they are viewed as having a talent (And why is it that only athletes are targeted? Why do people feel free to refer to “dumb jocks” but not “dumb musicians” or “dumb painters”?). URMs are enveloped in a mist of suspicion that they have gained admittance based solely on their particular shade of brown. The kicker is that even when it is clear to those surrounding a URM that he or she won a coveted spot due to superior intellect and hard work the URM is likely to have the voices of those like boardingschool swirling around in their head telling them that everyone thinks they’re at the school only because someone wanted to fill a minority recruiting spot.</p>
<p>good explaination sue! now it makes sense!!!
would being from and living in australia class me as an URM??</p>
<p>@ilovethattree: It’s a plus if no one/few people from your country ever attended that school. That’s what I meant by “minority”.</p>
<p>@Sue22 and ExieMITAlum: There are many many posts on CC everyday about URM as a hook:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pittsburgh/911229-scholarship-wth.html?highlight=urm#post1064654607[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pittsburgh/911229-scholarship-wth.html?highlight=urm#post1064654607</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/910612-sat-scores-certain-colleges.html?highlight=urm#post1064653032[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/910612-sat-scores-certain-colleges.html?highlight=urm#post1064653032</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/912692-what-my-chances-getting-into-ivy-league-schools-uc-schools-other-top.html?highlight=urm#post1064672318[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/912692-what-my-chances-getting-into-ivy-league-schools-uc-schools-other-top.html?highlight=urm#post1064672318</a></p>
<p>Why don’t you go fight them all? Why chose me? (I even always mentioned all hooks at the same time and never pointed my finger at race. I knew ilovethattree is international, so my definition of “minority” is not even about race). You’re welcome express your opinion that hook is a misconception, just don’t use ad hominem attack. I just have never seen an adult go so IMMATURE and MEAN to create this whole drama against a kid.</p>