Do high test scores make up for low gpa?

<p>That is true. If get in an Illinois public I will get a full tuition waiver. Anywhere else I will just get a sweet fin aid package. But the problem is knowing whiether(never could spell that one) I would even have a chance. Even if i tell them about my background and reasons for my past performance. Also my first sem grades where horrible(got a 20 hour a week job). But if i turn around this sem I think I might have something to work with.</p>

<p>My bad...what i meant to say is it was 20h, but during the holidays it was around 30.</p>

<p>What do y'all think about my chances at UIC?</p>

<p>Blastmaster- I don't think that's correct.</p>

<p>if you're poor enough to qualify for application waivers, apply to these schools definitely, they are great schools in it as themselves.</p>

<p>blastmaster, i've heard the exact opposite. ACT scores correlate with college success (more up to date relevant material in high school topics covering science, english, math, and grammar)</p>

<p>I took SATs only, and that tests middle school mathematics and high school level reading</p>

<p>There are doom & gloom naysayers everywhere in life, including this forum. Don't listen to them! Go for it and apply to the colleges that you want to attend. You are obviously bright enough. An ACT of 35 is outstanding!</p>

<p>You will have to explain why your GPA is so low. As Ricky Ricardo said, "you got some 'splaining to do!" You'll have a much better chance of getting into college if you explain yourself calmly and rationally, and can remain unflustered through what will probably be painfully embarrasing questions. </p>

<p>Find a trusted "no nonsense" adult and practice. Look for someone who is known to be honest and well respected, and who will ask you "tough" questions. Ask this person ahead of time if they will please help you and if they will please not gossip. (You may have to trade a few lawn mowings or such). The dreaded assistant principal of my high school comes to mind. Or try someone from your community like a friendly cop, an admired business owner, the parents of a contemporary who went to a top college, or even an elderly resident at a retirement home.</p>

<p>Your reason for high scores and low grades has to be plausible and credible. You'll need feedback from your mentor/coach/adult friend to help you define which points are important and which ones are "whiney." This person can help you decide ahead of time how you want to handle sensitive questions.</p>

<p>There is really no reason so bizarre that your grades and test scores cannot be explained. Really. The truth will earn you trust and admiration from admissions officers. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>how do u all know this guy was lazy, maybe he has other thigns to deal with, more important things, then his gpa..growing up in brooklyn i know many kids that were very smart, and had gpas lek this guy, not cause they were lazy, but becasue they had to work evey day of the week to support their family.</p>

<p>Some good-quality, top tier, (but not very diverse) LACs in the midwest are very determined to recruit minority and low-income applicants, so your background is likely to help you a great deal. At large state schools you are interested in like UIC, UIUC, UMich, etc., they have such a large number of apps to process, so admissions is generally a formula-driven numbers game. So your high test scores MIGHT not be able to compensate for the 1.8 GPA. </p>

<p>Your "very good reason" for the low GPA is none of my business, but whatever it is, make sure to tell your gc so he/she can mention it in the rec, write about it in your essays, and talk about it in the interview. If it was because you had to hold several jobs, had a tragedy in your family, or had a sickness (all things outside your control) the adcons could forgive the low GPA. If you don't mention it, they might assume that your exceptionally bright, but exceptionally lazy. Try to bring the GPA up to the mid-2's by end of junior year. Test scores are phenomenal and definetely attest to your ability to be successful at all of those schools. Make sure to have your music instructor send a rec, and also prepare several music recordings to send to the schools. </p>

<p>Try looking at these LACs in the midwest: Grinnell, Carleton, Oberlin, and Macalester
(100% of need met).</p>

<p>Thanks a lot for the info! It's nice to hear something positive. A lot of the other posts were either ambiguous or negative. I will sure to check out some of those recommended colleges. Also I suppose it would help to divulge this info. I am technically a ward of the state of illinois(quasi adopted by relatives) . therefore nomatter where I apply I will have 100% of my fin need met. But as previously stated any Illinois public a get into will basically waive my tuition,fees,etc. Anywhere else would just be a regular fin aid package(out of state publics would also give a form of tuition waiver since they are funded in part by fed(so i've been told). That is why I am so insistent to get into a good public university.</p>

<p>NYU, Emory, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins (you can get in here if you nag them), Tufts, Washington University in St. Louis, Boston College, the UCS, Northwestern, University of Chicago, Carnegie Mellon offer 100 percent need as well and they're nationally known.</p>

<p>the lacs unfortunately are rather unknown in the overall picture, are very small schools, and have extremely extremely tough academics compared to the universities.</p>

<p>i don't think you should go to a lac because of the amount of intense work you have to do at these schools.</p>

<p>i pmed you a website that gives you reviews about colleges by their own students, it'll help you a lot</p>

<p>edit: dude, u can go anywhere because of your need, don't waste the chance.</p>

<p>the worst that will happen is that you incur a loan of about 0-18,000, most likely around 6k</p>

<p>Did you check out my post here in which I suggested that you apply to some free summer programs including at Grinnel and Calvin College? Both have free summer programs for minorities, and also might give you a chance for admission to their colleges. </p>

<p>Even if you would like to go to a different kind of college, proving yourself by handling such a summer program would be to your benefit. You also could get good letters of recommendation from the program faculty that you could submit with all of your college applications.</p>

<p>I disagree with MMood87's view about LAC's and you. You seem to be an intellectually gifted student from a disadvantaged background and I imagine that most of the schools that you have gone to thus far have been very easy for you. You may have been bored because your peers didn't care about the material and teachers had to teach to the level of students needing remedial help.</p>

<p>LACs would be a welcome relief for you because students want to learn, teachers like teaching, and everyone appreciates people who are intellectual. Iinstead of make-work assignments designed to force students to learn basic skills and to do required reading, assignments require a great deal of creativity, research and thought. I bet you would enjoy doing things like that. </p>

<p>Large state universities attract many students who are into partying and into getting their degrees with as little stress/work/creativity as possible. Of course, there are exceptions, but in general, if you want to be in an environment in which most students are attracted by academics, not Greek life, partying, sports teams, then you'll probably find that most easily at a LAC.</p>

<p>northstarmom, i am looking into those summer programs and would like to thank you for giving me the info. i also agree with you in that going to and doing well in a college summer program, even if i do decide to go to big state u would certainly be helpful.</p>

<p>Best of luck, spikespiegal16. Let me know what happens. I'm rooting for you!</p>

<p>Spike, most colleges & universities have scholarships available for their summer programs. </p>

<p>I learned this last year when my daughter attended Harvard summer school. They call it Harvard SSP (Secondary School Program). When we researched summer college programs we learned that most programs, including airfare, run somewhere around $10,000 - give or take a thousand. </p>

<p>Before you die from sticker shock, consider that YOU are the kind of kid many schools like to attract. You stand out as someone who is bright and savvy, and who dealt with what life threw at you. You have more life experience than 99% of the applicant pool. Street smarts. You actually know firsthand what it feels like to be a ward of the State. This, believe it or not, works to your advantage.</p>

<p>My daughter is a bright caucasian at an elite private school in an affluent community. Her life story compared to yours, is fairly boring. </p>

<p>You, spike, are the kid for whom scholarships were created. </p>

<p>I suggest that you apply to the summer programs that you know are free, and also apply to a few of your dream schools. The summer programs are much easier to get into than regular college degree programs. </p>

<p>You have to get right on this if you are interested. I remember that the application dates were kind of early. And scholarship money does run out . . . although, when a school wants you they find more.</p>

<p>And for next year, consider this: My son attends a nice private liberal arts college of 2,500 in New England that costs almost $45,000 a year. He pays (actually, I pay) about $7,000 a year out of pocket. He'll graduate with something like $20,000 of loans to pay off. He's a B student, and a slightly less than average player on a pretty bad sports team. He's getting a great education, does his work study at the college radio station, and he generally feels like a "big man on campus."</p>

<p>If he had attended our huge state school of 35,000(?), the bottom line was $13,000, minus a $1,000 scholarship they offered him, less $7,000 that I can afford each year. Total debt at the end of four years would have been the same $20,000.</p>

<p>He went to the LAC because he liked it better. No other reason. Small LAC's can have huge endowments. Big schools might be less generous because of limited funds. </p>

<p>In your case, ask for details about what being a ward of the state really means. Will college money be cut off when you're 18 or 21? Will the state pay for tuition but not room & board? Will the state pay for books, lab fees, and charges for things like "freshman frolicks?" (My son's bill has a $200 - $400 charge for things like that every semester).</p>

<p>Sometimes it is less expensive to go to a private college. </p>

<p>I still think that you should go to the school you like best. You will be happier, do better in school, and have a better life in the long run. Visit as many campuses as you can, (but don't go nuts trying to hit 14 campuses in three days). The right school for you is the one that hits you with "warm fuzzies" when you walk on campus.</p>

<p>I am also wondering if you might qualify for "A Better Chance," it's a scholarship program that places gifted inner city students into top prep schools. Doing an extra year of high school in such a program might greatly expand your options.</p>

<p>Here's a link to some info: <a href="http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1303/Lyles/Lyles.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF1303/Lyles/Lyles.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>