Do i even stand a chance???

<p>Hi, I just finished my Junior year and have decided that, due to its fantastic medical school, Harvard will be my #1 college. Unfortunately, I have no "hook."<br>
I currently have a 4.0 (unweighted) and will, hopefully, have a 4.53 by graduation (top 1% of class). I am shooting for a 2300 on my SAT and 750+ on SAT II's. In addition, I am ACTIVELY involved in 12 clubs(BUT, they all tie back to what I want to study in college- math/sci and international studies); I have a total of 10 leadership positions(including senior class president), and I co-founded a summer camp to teach kids about several ethnicities and plan on founding my school's chamber of Science National Honors Society. Unfortunately, although I have over 25 awards, I do not have many outstanding ones, except for placing 2nd in the nation at the Health Occupation Students of America National Leadership Conference and getting my poem published in a book/ winning a poem contest. I also do individual research at the local university and plan on entering it into INTEL ISEF and Siemens...but, results don't come back until after college applications are done :( (except for if I qualify for national for Siemens).</p>

<p>I hope to study neuroscience as an undergrad and major in neurology and minor in Spanish as a graduate student. </p>

<p>Even though I lack a true "hook," but let's say my essays are great, do I STILL STAND A CHANCE?? pleeease help. I am thinking about applying in the Early Action round, so any opinions would be very helpful. Please no "Harvard is a crapshoot for everyone."</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Too many clubs. Pick the two or three that you are the most passionate about and invest your time, energy and commitment to them. With great scores, you will have a 15% chance, so expand your list.</p>

<p>I am as involved as possible with all clubs, so even if I do drop one, there’s nothing more I can do with any other club. I attend all meetings, hold officer positions, compete, and volunteer with all my clubs. Will it hurt my chances even then? Plus, I haven’t “randomly” joined any club just so I can put it on my resume. As I mentioned before, they are all science/math/international studies clubs(+ Student Gov), and I hope to study those fields in college. So, do I need to drop them, even though they are my true passion?</p>

<p>Well, what are the clubs, and how long have you been doing all of them? I agree with glido. I really don’t think it’s necessary to list 12 clubs unless they’re all incredibly unique or something.</p>

<p>ooops, it’s actually 10!<br>
I switched schools after freshman year, so I joined Mu Alpha Theta, SGA, Science Club, FANS, and Spanish club in 10th grade b/c they weren’t available at my old school. Everything else is since 9th grade. I plan on continuing with these clubs until I graduate.</p>

<p>-Health Occupation Students of America (placed at regionals, state, nationals)

  • National Junior Honors Society/National Honors Society(volunteered a lot & Vice president)
  • Mu Alpha Theta/math honors society (competitions & Secretary & president)
  • Science Club/Science Bowl/Science Olympiad (placed at regionals and state for Olymp(overall 2nd in region); 3rd in state for Bowl)
  • Student Government Association (Representative since junior year. senior class president)
  • Spanish Club/ Spanish Honors society (volunteered)
    -FANS(served as mentor for incoming freshman since sophomore year)
  • Persian Cultural Association, 2006 (The University chapter. Involved with cultural celebrations at two universities)
  • Research intern at the University (Since Jan of Junior year & I’m doing it on my own time this summer, as well)
  • Hand-In-Hand: summer camp for those interested in learning about different ethnicities, 2011(co-founder & camp counselor)</p>

<p>…and hopefully, will found my school’s chamber for Science National Honors Society this year!</p>

<p>You should apply. What ethnicity are you? And What state do you live in?
I think if you just show a little passion, get that 2300+ SAT score and 750+ Subject scores, and write good essays, you will stand a decent chance.</p>

<p>I am Persian (which is ironically considered white on the common app… “white/middle Eastern” is one choice :(, eventhough I am not white ). Will this hurt me?
I plan on discussing my involvement with Persian Culture Association in my essays and how I want to recreate that environment wherever I go to college. </p>

<p>Also, I am afraid of EA. Is it still a good choice(considering Harvard is my #1), even though I’ll be putting myself among the most competitive people?</p>

<p>My state is TN. Is that a positive or negative?</p>

<p>Buuuuuuuuump</p>

<p>I remember being anxious over whether or not I was good enough but do YOU think you “stand a chance”?</p>

<p>That’s the problem- I REALLY don’t know. I feel good about my chances one day, then I feel completely hopeless the next.</p>

<p>The “actual results for Harvard” threads are just so abstruse.</p>

<p>Well let’s go checkmark by checkmark here. As far as what you’ve told us, academics are definitely a check. SAT is a questionable check. What are you scoring in practices, PSAT, etc.? Subject tests also questionable. Your club involvement seems spectacular, but some could argue it seems almost “too much”. If it really does tie into your prospective studies/interests/whatever, you could pull it off. However, because you do have so much, don’t fluff up the common app with clubs with weaker involvement. “Padding” will come straight to mind for the adcoms. Put down the stuff that shows that you really and truly cared about it and excelled in, because you seem to have enough of that to fill the common app anyway. So check for extracurriculars. Checking yourself off as white will absolutely affect your chances, don’t let anyone tell you race isn’t that big of a deal in this admissions game. However, do you have any substantial ties with Persian culture besides involvement in that club? That’s something you’ll want to play up. I say a tentative check in the race box. And being from Tennessee is definitely a good thing. Low density state in terms of applicants, much better than being from NJ or CA.</p>

<p>Oh wow, I never reviewed my profile like you just did, bronovan. Thank you for the helpful advice! On the SAT, I score around 2150, but I JUST begun studying. I can pull off 800 on math and not miss any writing points (except I’m shooting for a 9 on the essay; not too great of a writer, but I can do grammar), but where I miss all the points is in vocab. But that should be easy to improve…I just bought a list of 5000 SAT words :slight_smile: and I can memorize pretty quickly.
As for Persian Culture Association, I used to dance for the new year’s celebartion at the old state I lived in, and now serve on the organization committee for the new year’s celebration at the University of Tennessee. So I’ll incorporate that into my essays!</p>

<p>Anyone else?? </p>

<p>Any Harvard alumni/ current students?</p>

<p>Not an alumnus/current student, but your chances aren’t ruined by anything. You just need some decent scores and outstanding essays. That said, your chances aren’t “good” because it’s Harvard.</p>

<p>I’d suggest getting Direct Hits for SAT vocab. It’s only ~400 words, but they are all helpful. I used that and I’ve never gotten a vocab question wrong in 4 practice tests and 1 actual SAT.</p>

<p>The essay, also, is very formulaic. Try reading some guides on this forum if you haven’t. Basically all you need to do is pick a side, write a fluff intro with a strong thesis statement, do 2-3 examples in their own paragraphs, and throw in a 1-2 sentence conclusion (you can just restate your thesis). There are certainly other ways to score high if you want to be more eloquent, but doing this while throwing in large vocab words and filling up both pages can guarantee you a score of 10+ every time. For your examples, try finding stuff that works for a variety of essay topics.</p>

<p>But Harvard is a crapshoot for everyone–at least, for everyone whose family name can’t be found on a building, or found regularly above the fold in The New York Times.</p>

<p>But you don’t want to hear that, so let me tell you instead that there are several things in this thread that would rub me the wrong way if I were your alumni interviewer.</p>

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<p>This reason strikes me as shallow, common and uncompelling. Harvard Medical School and Harvard College have very little to do with each other. They are miles apart. Their faculties overlap only in very rare cases. If I heard you say that when I asked, “Why Harvard?” I would think you were really saying, “I want to go to Harvard College because I think it will give me an advantage getting into Harvard Medical School.” It’s not a very good answer to “Why Harvard?” and it’s not a very good reason to go to Harvard College.</p>

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<p>This would make me suspect you were puffing yourself up. Individual research? How do you fund it? If it’s research that’s really going to advance the boundaries of scientific knowledge, doesn’t it cost something? And why would the local university let you have its lab space and its resources for your individual research? Doesn’t the local university need its resources for its own faculty and students, and their work? </p>

<p>Or are you really a high-school student who’s managed to get himself attached to an ongoing research project at the university, a project on which the principal investigator–the person who gets the grants that fund the research–is a member of the faculty? If you’re more than that, be sure to explain that fully. (In your application, much more than your alumni interview. The weight given to alumni interviews is minimal.) If, on the other hand, you are a high-school student who’s gotten himself some bench-research experience at the local university, that’s good, but it’s not extraordinary among Harvard applicants.</p>

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<p>This both confuses me and makes me think maybe you’re a little confused, too. Do you mean graduate school in neuroscience, or medical school followed by training in neurology? Have you really researched what either of those tracks–Ph.D. in neuroscience, or M.D. followed by specialty training–entails? The fact that you want to “major in neurology and minor in Spanish as a graduate student” makes me think you need to do more investigating.</p>

<p>If this thread had been your interview, I would have come away thinking that you care a lot about accomplishments, and you’re interested in Harvard because it’s famous (even more, because it’s famously selective). I wouldn’t have a sense that Harvard can meet your academic goals any better than Penn or Rice or the University of Michigan (sometimes, even for accepted applicants, Harvard can’t, but it makes your case stronger when it can), or that you have thought very much about what you can contribute to Harvard College. And I think that if they get that same impression in the admissions office, you’ll end up in the pile of highly qualified denied applicants.</p>

<p>From what you’ve shared here, you seem smart and accomplished. Those things are necessary, but not sufficient. I think that if you really want to go to Harvard, you need to work on focusing and clarifying your personal narrative, and the path you project for your future. If you didn’t really have a career trajectory in mind, that would probably be OK. But if you say you have one, you’d better have it in sharp focus.</p>

<p>I’ve just reread that post above. I intended to give frank advice, but I’m afraid it came out sounding harsh instead. I apologize for the tone.</p>

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<p>Wow, thank you so much for the replies!
I will definitely follow the SAT advice.</p>

<p>Sikorsky, no need to appologize. I have never received so much useful insight from anyone! Your kind of response is exactly the reason I started this thread.
I have researched Harvard’s program, but not as much as I need to. I will make sure to do that before I write my supplement on science. </p>

<p>Also, I for future clarification, I am doing my own research project at the University, thanks to the kind assistance of a professor/researcher there. So far, it looks like the results will be something that has not been established before :smiley: , and I hope to get that published in the future and enter some contests.</p>

<p>Then by all means, make the most of that! Just be careful to explain it fully (not here, of course; I mean explain it to colleges) without seeming to oversell it.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>Thank you, Sikorsky, I will!</p>

<p>UPDATE: I received my SAT II subject test scores today and I got a 770 on Chem and Math II. That should fall in the right range, right?</p>

<p>Anyone else who can help?</p>

<p>After looking at the actual results thread for the last SCEA round of Harvard applicants, I did not find a single person accepted who was not a First generation, URM, legacy, or recruited athlete who was accepted. Oh wow :(</p>

<p>Should I apply early there or not bother?? </p>

<p>One more question: why is the deferred–> accepted rate SO low?</p>