Do Med Schools prefer applicants from their undergrad?

<p>For example, if I get a BS in Biology from Indiana University, will I be preferred for acceptance to the IU School of Medicine? </p>

<p>I've also heard that med schools in states like Texas and California prefer in-state applicants, is this true?</p>

<p>Public medical schools generally prefer in-state residents. Admissions rates usually reflect this.</p>

<p>Whether or not medical schools prefer their own undergrads is a matter of debate; my own thinking on this has been evolving over time.</p>

<p>Medical school classes DO tend to have disproportionately high numbers of students from their own undergraduate programs, but this does NOT necessarily mean that those students are preferred. The most likely explanation is that those students tend to prefer that medical school, not vice versa.</p>

<p>In fact, because so many more students from an undergraduate program tend to apply to that program’s medical school (familiarity, recognition, relationships, etc.) one view might be that those medical schools have to penalize students from their own undergrad, or else they’d have an overwhelming number of their own students.</p>

<p>I don’t know which of those explanations is right; maybe it varies from school to school.</p>

<p>However, in my anecdotal experience, I’ve seen that medical students from the same undergraduate program tend to have lower numbers, and especially lower MCAT scores – that would suggest that there is, in fact, some favoritism. Again, this probably varies from school to school.</p>

<p>But say I go out of state for my undergrad degree, am I still considered an out of state applicant for med school even though I went to undergrad there?</p>

<p>Ex: Im from Indiana, I go to UF for my undergrad. I want to apply to UF for Med School. Will admissions consider me in-state or out of state?</p>

<p>Out of state. Your residency is not based on where you went to school. In your example, you would still be in state for University of Indiana.</p>

<p>In almost all cases, you cannot establish a new state of residence while attending college. Your presumptive state of residency will be wherever your parents live at the time you apply to medical school.</p>

<p>Nick–all public medical schools have a strong preference for in-state applicants, not just CA or TX.</p>

<p>I think the exception is Pennsylvania where all the med schools are considered private charging high tuitions and have higher OOS percentages.</p>

<p><a href=“http://ucs.yalecollege.yale.edu/sites/default/files/med_school_stats.pdf[/url]”>http://ucs.yalecollege.yale.edu/sites/default/files/med_school_stats.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Many of the top privates admit a disproportionate number of their own students. I posted the 2012 numbers for Yale med applicants above and it shows 30 Yale grads admitted to their medical school. Stanford has each class at 25% or more with their own grads.</p>

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I think there are some exceptions to that statement. For example, UMich has about 45% OOS at their MS. :wink: With that being said, they do have a love for their own UG’s.</p>

<p>Institutions with highest numbers of students</p>

<pre><code>University of Michigan: 61
Yale: 6
Harvard, UC-Berkeley, U of Notre Dame: 5 each
Hope, Stanford, U of N Carolina: 4 each
Calvin, Centl MI, Pomona, UMaryland, UMichigan-Dearborn, Wayne State: 3 each
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<p>UMich and UVA may be the only exceptions. But the rest of Michigan’s publics demonstrate a strong in-state bias.</p>

<p>(And I could probably argue that UMich’s and UVA’s funding structures are much closer to a private med school’s than a public med school’s. In fact, I believe there has been some fairly serious discussion of UMich–the entire university not just the med school-- going private.)</p>

<p>Based on the chart I posted, UMich actually accepted 23 Yale students last year.</p>

<p>Ohio State admits 100+ OOS and 70+ in state. While it is true that most state schools have an in-state bias, it’s most definitely not ALL. Most schools in PA and NY have pretty decent OOS acceptance rates. And that’s a good thing for applicants from CA:)</p>

<p>Got any JHU undergrad to med school stats Kal?</p>

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That might be but the info I provided was the number of matriculates.</p>

<p>I understand. I just see a huge disparity between admits vs matriculants when we see 61 from Michigan and 6 for Yale although they admitted 23? Wonder how many they admitted from Michigan.</p>

<p>I got no insider information :frowning: JHU school of medicine admits between 8-12% of it’s class from it’s own undergrad school. JHU pre-health doesn’t give out the details of where their kids go. They seem to have a pretty good understanding of where their applicants are competitive, never the less. Their committee gives 4 flavors of committee letters based on the caliber of the kids and advise the kids accordingly in terms of picking schools.</p>

<p>PA doesn’t have any public medical schools; they’re actually private, even Penn State-Hershey SOM is private. Also Pitt and Temple. They do receive some state funding and offer a reduce tuition rate to in-state students, but they’re considered private medical schools.</p>

<p>From USNews or school website–
SUNY-Syracuse (Upstate) OOS-- 18.5% (30 out of class of 160)
SUNY- Stonybrook (Downstate)-- 22% (33 out of class of 150)
SUNY- Buffalo–OOS 16% (24 out of class of 150)</p>

<p>Under 25%—I guess it depends on how you’d define “decent”. </p>

<p>With OOS publics the metric you really need to look at is the percentage of OOS applicants accepted, not what percentage of the class is OOS.</p>

<p>For example, SUNY-Upstate had 3500 OOS applicants for those 30 slots. (8% OOS acceptance rate!!!)</p>

<p>Two notes.</p>

<p>As discussed above, the number of students in an actual matriculating class is not definitive, since students often like staying around, which confounds the analysis.</p>

<p>Second, for similar reasons, the proportion of a medical school class that is OOS is also not definitive. The proper metric is the admissions percentage of OOS applicants to that medical school. (It’d be even better if we could control for applicant quality, but I don’t know if those numbers are released.)</p>

<p>Is there an “in-state” and “out-of-state” tuition for Medical School?</p>

<p>Yes, most state schools charge different rates for in state and out of state. Out of state is much more expensive.</p>

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For UMich it’s 11.6% IS (120/1035) and 7% OOS (296/4232).</p>

<p>I did not realize that Penn State, Commonwealth and Temple are all private. The percentages you quoted are not to shabby compared to some so called privates. For example Keck admits 130+ instate and 30 OOS.</p>