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<p>my brother told me he knew this girl who was republican and that she had like no friends. It could have been for some other reason, but i’m pretty sure it was due to her being republican.</p>
<p>Hmmm… That’s funny. I’m not sure what my son registered as but it was definitely not as a democrat. He’s got plenty of friends. I would consider him socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Maybe being socially liberal helps??? He also really enjoys discussing and debating different points of views. I’m not sure but I do know he is really happy there and doesn’t feel out of place at all.</p>
<p>i was just curious, I know that being ELC does not guarantee admission to UCLA or Cal, but does it have any influence on admissions at these schools?</p>
<p>I would choose Berkeley over UCLA any day. Hopefully I will get into Berkeley. But of course I am not upset about (probably) getting into UCLA.</p>
<p>Here is the most comprehensive database I’ve seen wrt a high-school class in its application through its matriculation process, [PV Peninsula HS](<a href=“http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/collegeacceptance/collegeacceptance2010.pdf”>http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/collegeacceptance/collegeacceptance2010.pdf</a>). The first database set, sorts by various colleges and those who applied to each, second, sorts by applicant number and each college he/she applied, both with outcomes and eventual choices. A good 200 pages or so. Looks to be ~ 500 grads numbered ~ 500-1000, with spaces, probably meaning lesser college choices (El Camino, say) for those not included. </p>
<p>Here’s the summation of admits to popular colleges and univeristies by its sister high school, [PV HS](<a href=“http://www.pvhigh.com/CCC/pdf/CCC_Student_Profile_2010.pdf”>http://www.pvhigh.com/CCC/pdf/CCC_Student_Profile_2010.pdf</a>).</p>
<p>The stats are similar for both UCLA and Cal; both create puzzling looks by those observing the first database b/c of some of the outliers accepted to both and similar looks to those rejected by both. Each takes more %, number-wise from its own geography, which means there’s a larger burden on UCLA to take more at-risk students because there are more underperforming schools in LA/SoCal than in NorCal.</p>
<p>Appearance-wise: I think UCLA students appear to be more athletic than Cal’s, wearing athletic gear, shorts; Cal’s are more, what, science-y-looking?</p>
<p>ELC matters because they compare you to the other applicants from your school.</p>
<p>what happened if your school don’t rank the students ???</p>
<p>In my personal experience, I know waaaaay more kids that got into Berkeley and not UCLA than the other way around. Most people I’ve talked to here about it have told me they did get into Berkeley. </p>
<p>Thus, my biased impression is that most people who get into UCLA also get into Berkeley. This opinion is backed up by UCLA’s lower acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Since this opinion is only based on anecdotes, though, it’s not very valuable. The fact is they’re both pretty tough to get into and you should feel pretty good about yourself if you get into either.</p>
<p>The fact is they’re both pretty tough to get into and you should feel pretty good about yourself if you get into either. </p>
<p>can I still feel good even if I get a double rejection ???
or would that suck big time ???</p>
<p>Lol cmon guys, Berkeley is a lot more competitive.</p>
<p>^^ he right. Whatever people’s pre-conceptions on the matters are, the math doesn’t lie.</p>
<p>Berkeley’s extremely competitive because it’s the oldest UC, and has had plenty time to make a name for itself. UCLA is also extremely competitive because a ton of people want to live in LA for reasons like nice weather, this attracts good professors, good grad students, and sets a good name for the school, and it’s also had ample time to make a name for itself.</p>
<p>while UCSD isn’t in this rank <em>yet</em>, i suspect it will join them for the same reasons i gave for UCLA. UCSD hasn’t had ample time to mature yet (didn’t it just turn like 40 years old?) but it already has more nobel laureates than UCLA does iirc.</p>
<p>tl;dr UCLA and Berkeley are in the same tier, the math proves this, even if the public perception is in berkeley’s favor.</p>
<p>@beyphy: perhaps for undergrad, but for Ph.D., Berkeley, Stanford and Harvard are pretty far separated from any other school. A school rests on the reputation of the quality of its research/Ph.D. work.</p>
<p>@Fastpitch: ^^ true, but AFAI can tell, we’re talking about undergrad here. the whole ‘appeal to grad school’ doesn’t make much sense in this discussion imo. It’s not like if someone compared harvard to berkeley, someone would say ‘well for grad they’re on similar levels.’ It would be pointed out that even <em>if</em> this is true, when the institutions are compared, most are probably talking about undergrad. </p>
<p>I will admit though, by having better programs, berkeley does give students access to higher quality professors, and presumably graduate students. But i imagine that the professors are so busy with research, and there’s so many students trying to get some of that professor’s time, that at the end of the day it won’t make much of a difference unless you’re going there for grad school.</p>
<p>also, in regards to grad school, again, AFAI can tell, it’s more about programs which vary by institutions, rather than one institution in a catch-all category. So even if Berkeley beat UCLA for grad school, which i’ll admit that it does, that doesn’t have much relevence here.</p>
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<p>In a discussion about undergrad <em>admissions</em>, grad school quality is totally irrelevant.</p>
<p>i would like to say definitely not for the major in Engineering!!!</p>
<p>From my school, MORE people are accepted into UCLA than Berkeley. Maybe Berkeley is slightly more competitive?</p>
<p>^ or maybe it varies by school?</p>
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<p>omg we’ll never know</p>
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<p>except that we have stats that show that the overall totals are practically even (with UCLA having lower admit rates if you count Berkeley spring admits)</p>
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<p>but anecdotes are cool</p>
<p>well he said in ‘my’ school. Surely, there are some schools with more LA admits than Berkeley admits, and vice versa. This would be true, even if the overall admits were the same.</p>
<p>My brother got into both CAL and UCLA, and so did a friend’s sister. However, I know many others who got into UCLA and not CAL, so it really depends.</p>