<p>I am from Maryland, and I was wondering if UCB has a certain percentage of people they have to take from in state, since only 10% of ucb's population is out-of-state.</p>
<p>yes, ~90% in-state. Statistically, the odds of acceptance in-state or OOS are not much different (25% in-state, 20% OOS), but Cal does not publish the stats of the OOS applicants, so we have no way of knowing how competitive the OOS pool is. I would assume that the OOS pool has very high stats, but that's only a guess.</p>
<p>btw: Cal is mighty expensive for OOS kids - $40k year, and UC finaid consists of a lot of self-help.</p>
<p>I think the admit rates are about 28% in state, 20% out of state, 12% international.</p>
<p>your thinking is incorrect. My stats were came from Cal's website. Check it out! :)</p>
<p>Based on a rough personal estimation, OOS kids have a slight edge. If you're paying private school tuition, you better have some damn good reasons for coming!</p>
<p>There is no good reason to attend cal if you are paying more than 15k-20k a year. Even at 15-20k a year, Cal is a serious rip-off.</p>
<p>Find a better school.</p>
<p>Trust me, you'll be better off.</p>
<p>^ i disagree. Cal is probably worth it if you're going to major in engineering. it has one of the best engineering departments in the world especially EECS. The problem is that most engineering majors are impacted making it even more difficult for OOS applicants to get in.</p>
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<p>A bit redundant, don't you think?</p>
<p>No, it is not. Graduating at the top of your class in engineering only increases your chances of getting a job. It does not increase the amount of money you will make.</p>
<p>In this respect, going to U-MD is worth it because it is easier to do well and an engineering major coming out of U-MD will make just as much money.</p>
<p>10k a year for an in-state school versus 40k a year for a Berkeley education.</p>
<p>Think about it. </p>
<p>Another illogical, irrational post by a berkeley student.</p>
<p>i agree that going to an out of state public school is completely illogical unless you're getting a full ride.
but finding a school better than berkeley would be impossible.</p>
<p>10k versus 40k a year is definitely a lot of money to consider.</p>
<p>that's 120k of debt once you graduate, and a lot of pressure that you will have on your shoulders.</p>
<p>An engineering student will liekly not graduate in 3 years for 120k debt. In many cases they might have to take 5 years. That's 160-200k in debt to go to a public school that has poor career counseling, poor peer-interaction, and poor services in general. </p>
<p>Steer clear of berkeley if you are an OOS student; the administration at Berkeley has decided to gouge its out-of-state students in order to avoid making hard decisions at home concerning the university's finances. Do not let them make you into a cash-cow for them.</p>
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<p>In this respect, going to U-MD is worth it because it is easier to do well and an engineering major coming out of U-MD will make just as much money.</p>
<p>10k a year for an in-state school versus 40k a year for a Berkeley education.</p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
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<p>engineering students are NOT allowed to take a fifth year unless there is some pretty damn good reason. not having enough units isn't even close to being a good reason so that tells you how hard it is to get a fifth year granted. if you don't finish in 4 years, then you're classified as an extension student and you don't get the same diploma as you would get in 4 years.
and if an instate school is 10k/year, i would actually question the quality of education of that school. Cal for me is about 18k/year, instate.</p>
<p>In another note, I'm on tracking in graduating with 7 semesters total for IEOR. I'm wondering if I should stretched out the classes, study abroad or just do it in 7 semesters.</p>
<p>if i were you, i would just stretch it out a bit and take 8 semesters, but that's my opinion.
studying abroad as a cal student, at least imo, is pointless because you're already at THE best public institution of higher education in the world. unless you're learning a language abroad, going elsewhere to learn stuff doesn't make sense to me. especially since you're IEOR.</p>
<p>I see study abroad as once in a lifetime opportunity to study somewhere else as a student, to be immersed in a foreign nation, and form an appreciation of another culture. Studying abroad is not pointless. But I see what you are saying, since I'm pretty much left with all IEOR courses to take. Studying abroad would just be something fun to do for me.</p>
<p>yeah i'm not saying that it's pointless for everyone. i see studying abroad as a useful experience to learn things you've mentioned, just that i think people should do it while still taking lower div courses, especially for engineering.</p>
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<p>I don't think it's that hard to 'find' that certain school in Palo Alto.</p>
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<p>Best in the world? Really? Better than Oxford or Cambridge? For undergrad? That's fairly unclear to me.</p>
<p>Besides, I don't think that's really the point. People study abroad to see new things. For example, I think that the United States is the greatest country in the world, but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy travelling to other countries. Far from it, in fact. I travel a lot. It's always good to see new things.</p>
<p>Stanford, Cal-Tech, Harvey Mudd and the sister liberal arts colleges. Thats for California alone. Any top 5 public school program would be better than Cal for undergrad. Any private school ranked in the top 30-40 is probably better too.</p>
<p>Don't waste your money on Cal. Just think about what 40k can buy you. 2-4 years at a flagship, in-state university as an OOS or a year at an Ivy-caliber school where the grads will all tend to be motivated and smart and most of all few so that university name on the diploma will mark you as one of the few and brightest.</p>
<p>40k a year at Cal buys you crappy housing, poor services, and large classes. Over 4 years, that 160k will buy you a diploma that 20k other students get in a year, most of which are barely above average. Don't waste your money.</p>
<p>For in-state people who want to be engineers. Cal is a great school.</p>