<p>As a jew, I can tell you that when I travel to Gainesville, Florida, and go to a McDonalds, and see four people at a table holding hands and saying grace, it is a bit strange.</p>
<p>I am not sure I would want my son applying to Notre Dame, for example, where they have masses every day, and Catholic priests are commonplace. Or even to a Wake Forest or a Baylor.</p>
<p>But as Benjamin Franklin once said, I am old enough now to know that I am not always right.</p>
<p>Woah you actually clicked it, I might have to actually start trying to argue (not that you’d even hear the other side out). I’ve already posted the rules you agreed to, try to at least pretend you care. The poor moderators shouldn’t have to deal with it.</p>
<p>Well if Christian Colleges are filled with Whistle Pigs (the user, not lovable groundhogs), I really wouldn’t want to set foot on campus.</p>
<p>And I’d read it. Several years ago when they tried to portray it as “BREAKING NEWS!” Understandably, it faded into the woodwork in about 20 minutes. And if you read the link I sent, you’ll learn why your “king is dead.” No missing link. Just a weird lemur, maybe. btw I think you meant “set foot” didn’t you? 
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<p>As for “arguing”, save it for your freshman philosophy class. You’d only become more discouraged here. With one arm tied behind my back. </p>
<p>You know, I’m betting you and I might concur on one thing though. What is that, might you ask? Your self-anointed description! I’ll bet you are right on the money. Piccolo player perhaps? Keep looking up, big fella.</p>
<p>I did, sorry for my typo.</p>
<p>My self-anointed description as in bandgeek1 (the 1 is only because bandgeek was taken)?
It doesn’t say Prodigy, NextMozart, ImBetterThanYou, it says bandgeek(1 which is irrelevant), which I am. I geek out at band and band related things.
Nope, Clarinet but I do transpose Piccolo parts for my marching band and play it on my Clarinet. I also play (in case you are interested) Tenor Sax (self taught), Keyboard (self taught), Trumpet (self taught), and Oboe (self taught), but I guess I really don’t deserve the title band geek. I am a decent musician, no where near the best and it’s a hobby for me. </p>
<p>Is it say to assume you do not live underground and people use you seeing your shadow as a way to have a silly little holiday and predict when winter will end?</p>
<p>I do not recommend a non Christian (or anybody honestly) go to an evangelical type christian college like Liberty, Patrick Henry etc… if that student wants to learn without severe bias, xenophobia, intolerance and tainted “science.”</p>
<p>I know Whistlepig will “crucify” me for saying this but that is my opinion.</p>
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<p>I got a chuckle out of this this morning. It’s the exact same reasoning I’ve heard for why conservative Christians shouldn’t attend many known liberal secular types of college. It probably is best in both cases exactly for those reasons. ;)</p>
<p>Then there are those of us in the middle who axe both ends and find plenty of good options (Christian and secular) in the middle. There’s a place for everyone out there.</p>
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Wow! What GREAT good news!! For several reasons. This lil lady (I’m assuming she’s not “Earl the Pearl”) recognizes several things in her own response:
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<li>She recognizes me. And as Jesus assured, once you are, you’ll be despised and demeaned by the culture. Thank you for the very best compliment you can give. She knows who I am! Hallelujah. (by the way, does she know what that term means?) 
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<p>Perhaps one correction on your theology. I’m not the one doing the crucifixions. Trust me on that. And another on your assumption that secular scientists (NOT science … that belongs to God) are among the most “religious” of persons, working their test tubes to proselitize you without even knowing you’re being preached too. And btw, the religion extends well beyond the chem and bio labs. Check out the clip on the San Antonio government teacher proclaiming a local official as a nazi. Same gig as science, sadly. So the point? Your notion that somehow science professors at secular institutions somehow are unbiased, mentally neutered explorers simply reporting what they find reflects naivete, ignorance I trust and not stupidity. </p>
<p>The really great news is that we are rapidly hearing many of these secular science officionados “coming out” or at least rejecting the silliness of evolution’s claims. Keep watching as this worm is turning! </p>
<p>Good insights, Creekland.</p>
<p>Whistlepig, look there are biases in any extreme environment but I would not want to attend a college where creationism is part of the science classroom. Put it in a religion class but not science. I have read a lot of your responses so I am completely prepared for a dense (as in words not intellect - I promise) response with a lilting feel of an enthusiastic traveling pentacostal preacher under a tent in July.</p>
<p>And I have grown up immersed in a conservative environment of mostly mennonites and Amish. I have mennonite and amish cousins and many close friends who are conservative evangelical christians. I used to attend a church of christ who passed out Bush election stickers and buttons in 2004. (which is why I quit going.) I know how it works so don’t even try to convince me otherwise. I know how the majority of these guys work.</p>
<p>A pleasant exception is Eastern Mennonite University. Many strong “patriotic” conservatives may feel a little uneasy at this school because mennonites are pacifists against war. They tend to be more liberal than most people realize with respect to national defense, the environment and certain social issues - many agree with the term “social justice.” So actually, I might amend my previous statement - I don’t think certain mennonite schools are near as isolating and intolerant as a Liberty.</p>
<p>I respect your opinions and no, I am not stupid. My D has had 18 years of conservative everything and prefers to be in a different environment for college. It doesn’t mean she is close minded or intolerant - she definitely is not.</p>
<p>And I am hardly naive. That is actually laughable considering how closely I am related to the conservative culture - I truly have an insider perspective!</p>
<p>To answer the OP’s question with an answer already given but now buried under an evolution-creation argument, it depends on the school.</p>
<p>In my son’s list is a Catholic school, a Methodist, a Lutheran, a progressive Christian (denomination un-named), and several secular ones. None are like a Bob Jones or anything, that’s not the kind of Christianity our family believes in nor the environment my son wants to be in.</p>
<p>An example, the Christian non-denominational one, has strong requirements as to service to others, and that is a value many people of faith, and many atheists, would want their kids to have. This was the first college in the south to desegregate and to go coed, which is why I call it progressive.</p>
<p>I personally went to a Quaker HS. I’m not a Quaker, but I very much enjoyed my experience there and found Quaker values to be quite in line with my family’s values.</p>
<p>Many colleges have a religious affiliation but are religious in that sense only.</p>
<p>I would not “recommend” it, no, as there is no good reason why a non-Christian should favor Christian schools over non-Christian schools. However, I would also not recommend you avoid Christian schools. Assuming that you are tolerant of other religions, and the school is tolerant of non-Christians, it should be perfectly fine. Of course, you’d likely want to make sure the school is accredited (certain evangelical schools aren’t, given either low standards or ideological objections to accreditation), and that it takes a respectable view of history and science.</p>
<p>I know a couple atheists at my school and they seem to like it just fine, having accepted the surrounding religion and required theology courses. However, I knew atheists and non-Christians in high school who would have hated the religious presence, so it depends equally upon the school and the individual. I suggest visiting the prospective college/university, and talking to any non-Christians there if at all possible, to get a feel for how comfortable you would be.</p>
<p>Christian colleges - not a problem. Conservative Christian colleges - a whole different ball game. I’m not trying to put down CC colleges, just saying that they would be out of the comfort zone of non-conservatives. Catholic, Lutheran, historically-tied UCC, and others would be more tolerant of differing opinions. Conservative colleges teach their truth.</p>
<p>Although this varies with Catholic schools as well. The one my daughter attends requires several religion classes, but offers a wide range of classes from which to choose. One that she applied to required intro to Catholicism and the grade depended on repeating back the teaching, and would not accept reasoned disagreement with the Church teachings.</p>