Do you respect emo kids?

<p>No. Emo kids seriously disgust me. Everyone has problems, we wouldn't be human if we didn't. However, it is these people that choose to sulk in self-denial and engage in outlandish depression, self-mutilation, and even suicide. I seriously believe that this phenomenon comes from relative affluence, especially in the United States. You don't see poor teenagers in third world countries sulking about their conditions, they're too busy trying to stay alive. </p>

<p>The question is neither, "do you tolerate emo kids" nor is it connected to racism. Toleration is not the same as respecting someone's values. Though racism is a problem because some people choose to bias against others merely on the color of their skin, I have a right to disrespect emo kids based on my opposition to their philosophy, which they had the right to choose.</p>

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I'm curious as to how many of you actually take the time to get to know these kids, or just go off of the HS stereotype.

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Actually, I have the misfortune to be stuck with about 10 of them every Thursday morning for a half-hour before school! These kids decide that, since they have no friends because they don't shower and nobody likes a smelly person, they'll join the Gay-Straight Alliance and "make a statement" about their sexuality. Then they can say that nobody likes them because they're bisexual, not because they're greasy and dirty and flaunt their cuts. Some of them are perfectly nice people, but they're all awkward and I can't stand being around them because they always complain about how they're so misunderstood.</p>

<p>Generally, emo kids tend to try way to hard.</p>

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Depression-true depression-is a chemical imbalance in the brain, and there is no way to "protect against it" or, inversely, to "make yourself more vulnerable" to it.

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I don't believe that. I'm not going to dig up any scientific studies to support me. I speak from experience here, I used to be very depressed. I also knew a lot of whiny self righteous kids in high school. </p>

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I can understand why you'd be annoyed with the people you're describing. But you cannot stereotype the whole group to be that way.

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If I ever meet 1 person from the group who doesn't match my description, I'll have no reason to stereotype them. Until then, I have every reason to.</p>

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Honestly, how big is your school? I'm getting the picture of a private school girl right now...a sheltered one at that.

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I went to public school, but it was really small. Then junior year I moved to a private school that was even smaller.</p>

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As to the "Popular kid" thing...please. Let's see how "popular" those kids are in 10 years.

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Look, you're missing the point of what I said. I don't care how popular anybody is. I dislike it when anybody goes through great lengths to protect their own ego. If they're unpopular and they protect their ego by trying to be really different, that's stupid. If they're popular and they protect their ego by refusing to associate with ugly people, that's stupid.</p>

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You don't see poor teenagers in third world countries sulking about their conditions, they're too busy trying to stay alive.

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How do you know if people in third world countries sulk or not?</p>

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I don't believe that. I'm not going to dig up any scientific studies to support me. I speak from experience here, I used to be very depressed. I also knew a lot of whiny self righteous kids in high school.

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<p>Then you didn't have clinical depression, which is very different from the depression you're talking about (which is normal for teenagers). This is also why they have psychologists and psychiatrists (Yes, they are different-Psychologists cannot prescribe meds). Answer me this-if depression had nothing to do with the way your body works, why would people need anti-depressants?</p>

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How do you know if people in third world countries sulk or not?

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<p>I didn't make that argument originally, but let me ask you this: Have you ever been to Africa? Those people are JOYOUS. They are SO thankful for EVERYTHING that they have. They're thankful just to be alive. Trust me, they don't sulk.</p>

<p>There are almost NO emo's that are low on the socioeconomic ladder. To say that discriminating against those moronic emo's is economic discrimination is like saying ....well it just doesnt make sense.</p>

<p>Not a single emo kid at my school is economically disadvantaged. Most are rich white kids who just turn queer. </p>

<p>They do nothing to help our society, and all they do is sit and moan about it all the while degenerating it with their foulness.</p>

<p>P.S. Being depressed for a time period is not being "emo". Neither are those kids who just dress in black, because they arent always with the emo mindset either. Emo's are something different, at least in my eye, but it depends how you look upon it.</p>

<p>..............uhhh...welll....</p>

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i respect emo kids since i don't respect normal people or society

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<p>The enemy of my enemy is my friend.</p>

<p>I respect the guy who cheated his way to the top of the class because I don't respect the slackers with 2.0 GPAs.</p>

<p>People are not one-dimensional stick-figures.</p>

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People are not one-dimensional stick-figures.

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<p>We usually treat them as such - until we get to know them personally very well.(since this is a thread on stereotypes, and stereotypes are based on one-dimensional projections of people - and yet they are so common)</p>

<p>I don't really trust my parameters of respect that well. actually i kind of do respect society, when it comes down to it. i just think of it as a computer simulation. that ups my respect for it. :p most other computer simulations are downright boring</p>

<p>I guess it's just that I tend to respect people I perceive as similar as me on some fundamental aspecs</p>

<p>"Then you didn't have clinical depression, which is very different from the depression you're talking about (which is normal for teenagers). This is also why they have psychologists and psychiatrists (Yes, they are different-Psychologists cannot prescribe meds). Answer me this-if depression had nothing to do with the way your body works, why would people need anti-depressants?"</p>

<p>HGFM; Your point is valid but it's not that simple. And there are things (not just medicine) you can do to increase your resilience and reduce chances of relapse.</p>

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Then you didn't have clinical depression, which is very different from the depression you're talking about (which is normal for teenagers). This is also why they have psychologists and psychiatrists (Yes, they are different-Psychologists cannot prescribe meds). Answer me this-if depression had nothing to do with the way your body works, why would people need anti-depressants?

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You're being pretty patronizing. I've been to both psychiatrists and psychologists, and I've been on medication. When I say I was very depressed, I don't mean I stubbed my toe or something. I'll get find some more concrete evidence if you decide to do the same thing. You should link to a good source for this information. Otherwise, this discussion won't go anywhere.
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P.S. Being depressed for a time period is not being "emo". Neither are those kids who just dress in black, because they arent always with the emo mindset either. Emo's are something different, at least in my eye, but it depends how you look upon it.

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I agree, being depressed and being emo are totally different.

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We usually treat them as such - until we get to know them personally very well.(since this is a thread on stereotypes, and stereotypes are based on one-dimensional projections of people - and yet they are so common)</p>

<p>I don't really trust my parameters of respect that well. actually i kind of do respect society, when it comes down to it. i just think of it as a computer simulation. that ups my respect for it. most other computer simulations are downright boring</p>

<p>I guess it's just that I tend to respect people I perceive as similar as me on some fundamental aspecs

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You don't sound emo... if you had emos at your school you might not respect them so much.</p>

<p>Forget what I said before, here's the evidence. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Things listed under causes of depression that are within your control without medication:</p>

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Dietary</p>

<p>The increase in depression in industrialised societies has been linked to diet, particularly to reduced levels of omega-3 fatty acids in intensively farmed food and processed foods.[citation needed]</p>

<p>[edit] Sleep quality</p>

<p>Poor sleep quality co-occurs with major depression. Major depression leads to alterations in the function of the hypothalamus and pituitary causing excessive release of cortisol which can lead to poor sleep quality. Individuals suffering from Major Depression have been found to have an abnormal sleep architecture, often entering REM sleep sooner than usual, along with highly emotionally-charged dreaming. Antidepressant drugs, which often function as REM sleep suppressants, may serve to dampen abnormal REM activity and thus allow for a more restorative sleep to occur.</p>

<p>[edit] Seasonal affective disorder</p>

<p>Seasonal affective disorder (SAD) is a type of depressive disorder that occurs in the winter when daylight hours are short. It is believed that the body's production of melatonin, which is produced at higher levels in the dark, plays a major part in the onset of SAD and that many sufferers respond well to bright light therapy, also known as phototherapy.[citation needed]</p>

<p>Psychological factors</p>

<p>Low self-esteem and self-defeating or distorted thinking are connected with depression. Although it is not clear which is the cause and which is the effect, it is known that depressed persons who are able to make corrections in their thinking patterns can show improved mood and self-esteem (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy).[citation needed] Psychological factors related to depression include the complex development of one's personality and how one has learned to cope with external environmental factors such as stress.[citation needed]</p>

<p>[edit] Early experiences</p>

<p>Events such as the death of a parent, issues with biological development, school related problems, abandonment or rejection, neglect, chronic illness, and physical, psychological, or sexual abuse can also increase the likelihood of depression later in life. Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) includes depression as one of its major symptoms.[citation needed]</p>

<p>[edit] Life experiences</p>

<p>Job loss, poverty, financial difficulties, gambling addiction, eating disorders, long periods of unemployment, the loss of a spouse or other family member, rape, divorce or the end of a committed relationship, involuntary celibacy, inability to have proper sex or premature ejaculation or other traumatic events may trigger depression. Long-term stress at home, work, or school can also be involved.</p>

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<p>Um... odd thread. Respect everyone, regardless of how they dress, what music they listen to etc. Also I've never heard of people labelled as emo acting disrespectfully to other people, so what reason is there to even question respecting them or not?</p>

<p>This is a funny thread.</p>

<p>-The Observant Snoop
Petere est opus viri caeci.
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i respect emo kids since i don't respect normal people or society

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<p>Hmm .. i forgot which type of fallacy this is but it's kind of like "America: Love it or leave it"</p>

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Um... odd thread. Respect everyone, regardless of how they dress, what music they listen to etc. Also I've never heard of people labelled as emo acting disrespectfully to other people, so what reason is there to even question respecting them or not?

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Have you talked to them? They think they're great and they consider other people stupid. A subculture is an attitude, it usually goes deeper than the music you listen to.</p>

<p>It's not just emos though. Every group in high school thinks they're the best. They're all wrong.</p>

<p>Even this HisGraceFillsMe person, who sees herself as being really tolerant, assumes I'm an idiot because I don't agree with her. That's not a good assumption to make.</p>

<p>mj93: I believe it's Skewed Sample, but I'm not sure.</p>

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Even this HisGraceFillsMe person, who sees herself as being really tolerant, assumes I'm an idiot because I don't agree with her. That's not a good assumption to make.

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<p>please don't put words in my mouth. I'm sorry if you took me as being patronizing or rude, but I honestly wasn't trying to be. I don't think you're an idiot, I just disagree with you.</p>

<p>Despite what you may think of me, I am tolerant. Some of my best friends are of different races, religious beliefs, sexual orientations, etc. than me. And I could care less. Like I said, I try and respect everyone (I don't always succeed, because well heck, I'm human, but I do try).</p>

<p>You where talking to me as if I don't know what depression is. You wouldn't do that if I didn't disagree with you about what can cause depression.</p>

<p>It's good that you try though.</p>

<p>No, I was just trying to explain what I thought caused it..again, I am so sorry if I came off as rude. That wasn't my intention. :(</p>

<p>The only emos at my school are annoying freshmen so no I don't respect them.</p>