<p>I have a question:</p>
<p>Okay, say you keep straight A's and a high GPA, and don't quit any extracurriculars....but you have alot of latenesses and absences. Like, say, hypothetically speaking, one were to get into a top school but then accumulate about 30 latenesses throughout the year, and around 10-15 absences. Possible rescindence?</p>
<p>do they even hear about your absences and such?</p>
<p>I predict more specific language in the acceptance letter in the future. I can possibly see cheating or breaking a law, and I can see about Fs, but an A-B mix to a B-C mix, I am not so sure about. I saw a poster earlier cite someone who had C's from A's, I believe. He took it well, the poster said. </p>
<p>If this happened to be the school that was THE school, in all the sundry ways of fit, and a school would rescind all that admissions work on such a debatable criterion, I would think the student's advocate, his parents, might have a serious talk with the admin, possibly in court, if the stakes were high enough.</p>
<p>For the UCs, you need to keep a certain GPA for your senior semesters. Basically, you will KNOW if your application will get rescinded or not, so you should go ahead and accept another school if you don't meet their GPA requirements.</p>
<p>Anyway, I knew someone a few years back who got his application rescinded from Berkeley because he did not keep a 3.0 unweighted GPA. He appealed (he had a good reason), and ended up gaining readmission. EECS major.</p>
<p>"rescinded for plagiarizing Wikipedia"</p>
<p>How do they know he wasn't the original author of that Wikipedia page? :-)</p>
<p>Glad it worked out well in the end.</p>
<p>"Teacher mentioned is quite proud of the fact that he got kids rescinded. Especially students from top colleges"</p>
<p>THAT is some serious BS. A counselor would get mad if he/she found out some teacher was interfering with personal/private information dealing with colleges. We all work so hard to get there, and along ethical lines of privacy, teachers need to stay out of it. If they weren't asked for a letter of recommendation, its not their business. In fact, I'm pretty sure that - if you informed the principal or even the superintendent of your school, they would also have something to say against that. If that teacher has a problem with a cheater, she/he better just give the student a zero on that assignment that was cheated on. To the very max, the teacher can refer a student to the office for administrative punishment, but messing around with a student's colleges is major crap. If that happened at my school, Not a single student would report WHERE he/she applied to anyone, and would probably not mention any schools he/she applied because there is no incentive in doing so. People make mistakes, don't ruin their life for it. If any teacher did that to me to a school I got accepted to, it would be ugly - and I mean it.</p>
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I would think the student's advocate, his parents, might have a serious talk with the admin, possibly in court,
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And that's why I predict we will not see more specific language in acceptance letters about what is or is not grounds for revocation. The more specific the language, the more likely a dispute can arise. ("They didn't say anything about this situation, while they outlined all of these. Therefore, what my kid did is OK and he shouldn't have been revoked.")</p>
<p>The fuzzier the language is ("maintain your grades at their prior levels") the more discretion is given to the schools. And if they do say, maintain your grades at their prior levels, then any decrease in GPA could be upheld as grounds for revocation, although as a practical matter, it won't be.</p>
<p>I know a young man whose admission to a [well known small LAC] was recinded for bad grades spring semester. They told him he was welcome if he attended community college for the fall semester, got good grades, and they'd be happy to have him in the spring. He did, got a 4.0 fall semester, and he's there now.</p>
<p>Executive, I understand what you're saying but this is how this teacher 'deals' with it.</p>
<p>Classic, I would assume the college would hear about the absences through failing. Many high schools have policies that state if you miss x number of days, you fail the course for whatever semester/mp/year. It probably would be stated somewhere.</p>
<p>'cheating" isn't a "mistake" its a planned action....a mistake is leaving your homework on the bus....</p>
<p>Well, I wouldn't tell teachers who might not like me where I got accepted to (and certainly not where I'm matriculating)....so there's no chance of that happening.</p>
<p>Cheating students should be rescinded. There is never any excuse for cheating. "Pressure" is never a good reason and, as a previous post stated, rescinding cheats allows a more honorable student with just as much intelligence but a lower GPA (earned honestly) to have the opportunity. If there is so much pressure, perhaps the parents should get the child psychotherapy, or better yet, get themselves psychotherapy if they are the source of the pressure.</p>
<p>As to students reporting cheating, my daughter made a good point as to why she doesn't report-the parents of the cheater could retaliate in some form (legally or through their connections to X college where D was applying), the school administration and teachers often hesitate to act on cheaters out of fear of litigation so the report is not backed or investigated, other students would assume that the report was done, not in the spirit of honor but in the spirit of furthering one's own cause (eliminating the cheats as competition) and, finally, she points out the fact that American culture in general supports cheating to a great degree. I could not really argue her point. I do support her honesty and, when the poor grades occasionally come home, try not to make a big deal of it. The poor grade is obviously an indication that she was honest!</p>
<p>Oh wow...do people actually do that?</p>
<p>Yeah i knew of a guy from my school who got accepted to a very good college (cant remember which one though) but I saw him downtown in september and he tried to "duck and hide". nope, i wasnt letting it go. so i walked up to him and asked him about school and he lied that he was in town for just a while.</p>
<p>came to find out from a teacher that he was rescinded because he "made a few adjustments to his activities, GPA, and community sevice involvement".</p>
<p>He had it coming..........</p>
<p>lol my teachers dont even have that kind of time to spend calling our colleges. I wonder if they even have the brains to think of doing it. As punishment, you get sent to room 101 (remember novel 1984, by George Orwell) and may get suspended for 3 days?
if you ever get expelled, you get to go to the other say, 12 high schools in the city? lol its sad but its the truth......not that i mess around with things like that (i'm a straight A student with a perfect record) but i know people who get away with crap.</p>
<p>Executive:
It all depends HOW it was done. It is absolutely possible that the teacher never wrote to colleges himself and didn't violate anything. The teacher has the right to report a cheater to GC and administration (actually he is expected to do so). If it is done formally, then some official punishment follows. And then GC is expected to report ANY new information about the student to colleges, as long as it is school related. Both positive and negative. Cheating at school is school-related. So the teacher could just "follow up" that administration punished the student and that GC did not "forget" to inform colleges. In this case, did the teachr get the student rescinded? Technically it was done by school</p>
<p>My guess it that a teacher's report to a college is limited to removing the letters of recommendation they wrote for the offending students. At D's HS, the teachers were asked to do so with the recent cheating scandal. The rationale is that the academic reputation of the school is harmed. Not doing so makes that teacher's reference less than credible for future applicants and the accuracy of grades from a given HS less believable. I really don't think most teachers are into vendettas. They are invested in upholding their reputation and that of the school.</p>
<p>this kid i know, valedictorian, perfect SAT score, tons of AP classes, got accepted to Yale. It turned out he BSed everything on his senior project. he didn't do the log hours, made up mentors... it was bad. he didn't get rescinded though. He had to wait for a year before he could enter Yale.</p>
<p>Question: How much power does a guidance counselor actually have? To seniors they seem to have the power of god when it comes to colleges, but is there power easily challenged - and when it is challenged, do they give in to teachers?</p>
<p>When the teacher has a position of power within the school, they DO have the power to do as mentioned before. And it is done by phone call/letter --personally. I think he might have the teacher's recs withdrawn (if within his power).</p>
<p>There's a reason why everyone I know is terrified of what COULD happen. It's quite rare and I think it only happened in those two instances. But, why be prone?</p>