<p>Still, a teacher can withdraw a letter of rec, and push this over to administration, but colleges are meant to be taken care of by the guidance counselor. Whose going to tell their teacher where they applied? In my school, a teacher would be so screwed by the parents if the teacher did that.</p>
<p>Most teachers hear through the grapevine or by students talking about it. The teacher mentioned is PART of the administration. Envision: Power and the will to use it. The guidance counselors do absolutely nothing at my school past printing out stuff for applications. So, it really would come down to the teacher/administrator to do something. In my school, parents know this but they also know--they can't do anything about it.</p>
<p>No final year report = no rescinding? (As long as your midyear is 4.0/Fine)</p>
<p>I couldn't agree more. If they don't get caught cheating in college, they will get caught somewhere in life. I will feel sorry for them, but I will laugh and laugh again. It's hilarious how they look down at students who didn't get into top schools like they did.</p>
<p>Even if I wanted to denounce them , I wouldn't because I never saw them. One cheated two times in one of my classes, a friend of mine saw her. the same student tried to cheat in another class but a classmate who knew that, told the teacher before the test so he caught her during the test. As for the SATs, I ddin't see it with my own eyes but after the test those who were sitting close to the cheaters said that they cheated. Therefore I have no right to denounce them since all I knew was from what I heard. I agree with you. I guess that the people who saw them cheated should have say it but I cannot judge them because I woldn't say it if I was the one who saw them.</p>
<p>They didn't publicized it. Classmates just saw them. Someone heard them talking once about it too but they thought that no one was around.</p>
<p>I applied to UCLA along with other UC's (berkely sd, irvine) with a 3.96 weighted, only 1 C ever, in precalc. Then my senior year grades were
AP CALC-c
AP Lit-C
AP computer- b
AP Gov- A
AP Physics -c</p>
<p>thats a 3.6 weighted, but a 2.6 unweighted</p>
<p>ucla also asked for my senior year grades in a supplemental application they requested from me in feb. do you think they might change their decision over those grades, or will the other UC's recind my admission due to my senior year grades?</p>
<p>Executive--</p>
<p>I'm not sure you understand the many roles of a high school guidance counselor--it's not just "to get kids in to college.'" without concern for any other aspect of their school existence. And the counselor is not just your counselor, she is the counselor for all of the students in your class and all of the classes coming after yours.</p>
<p>Infractions--from cutting class, to talking back to a teacher, to plagiarizing or cheating or worse, are all reported to the counselor by the teachers or school administration as a matter of course and are maintained on a student's record. When a counselor is required to answer a question about a student's record, it is a duty to answer honestly and with integrity. </p>
<p>If it's a matter of a minor misdemeanor--say, Executive cut biology class once as a sophomore, there's no reason to report it to the colleges. </p>
<p>If Executive has a pattern of getting in trouble for cutting classes especially on test days, that might get reported because it's information colleges will want to know about Executive while making a decision on his application. </p>
<p>If Executive has cheated or plagiarized or committed other serious infractions, it is important that this be reported to colleges that ask because it goes to the type of student they want/don't want on their campuses or in their campus culture.</p>
<p>The counselor is not out to get a student by reporting these matters--the counselor is just doing his or her job with integrity and honesty.</p>
<p>What I don't understand is a student who did something so heinous that this could become a problem. Is this what happened in your case?</p>
<p>If it did, and you learned from the experience, and you fear that the counselor is going to report the incident(s) to colleges, first, go talk to the counselor and let the counselor know what you have learned about yourself, and then write the colleges a letter of your own letting them know how you have grown and matured. But don't blame counselors for doing a job.</p>
<p>And Executive, you keep saying that the teacher has no "right" to interact with the colleges, and that do so is a breach of some sort of privacy right. You're wrong; the teacher does and it's not. All the teacher is forbidden from doing is revealing confidential school records. However, if the teacher knows something about the student from her own first-hand knowledge (for example, the kid cheated in this teacher's class), the teacher has a right to tell the colleges. The guidance counselor can as well, but this does not mean that the teacher can't. And this is, of course, also assuming that the allegation is true - the kid did what the teacher says he did.</p>
<p>Students-you relinquish your right to privacy when you ask the teacher to write the recommendation and sign the documents that allow the school to communicate with the college. The teacher has his/her reputation and that of the school to protect. I, for one, would never put saving the reputation of a dishonest student before my own.</p>
<p>fly4lyf, they don't always ask for mid year grades before they make their decisions, at least they did not ask my daughter last year, and she's now a freshman at UCLA. So I suspect you were already on the bubble, and I wouldn't put too much hope in those grades getting putting you on the yes side of the decision.</p>
<p>However, if you do get admitted they are looking for specific performance. I believe you need an unweighted 3.0 for UCLA and UCB, and weighted for the others. One or two Cs usually won't sink you. A raft of Cs, or a D will.</p>
<p>Air Force Academy rescinded an appointment for one of my son's friends for being suspended from school. He poured milk on a friend's car at 20 below on school grounds...and the school was on an Air Force Base. Yikes!</p>
<p>Although nearly every teacher my kids had over the years were compassionate and helpful one was not. This teacher demands that everyone that takes her AP class take the AP exam in the spring, no exceptions. She threatened two students who did not take the exam with contacting their colleges to get their admissions rescinded. The school told the teacher she would be fired if she did so.
The rub was that the guidance counselor and parents supported the decision of both kids. The guidance counselor explained the extenuating situations to the teacher, but she was unrelenting. One had missed weeks of school with a head injury and was already behind working on a reduced work load . The other kid was taking 4 APs his family is on public assistance couldn't afford the fee (the school had paid for 2 of the APs for this kid telling him to pick his strongest subjects).
The teacher did back down to avoid being fired.</p>
<p>I have only heard-albeit anecdotally-of one person having their admission rescinded. Their grades dropped far below second semester. Sadly, his mother passed away during the second semester and the school (UCLA) looked sympathetically on his grieving process and re-granted his admission.</p>
<p>I don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but I'm pretty sure there was a highly publicized case of a girl rescinded from Harvard after she got caught palgiarizing. I think she wrote an op-ed article which got published in a big newspaper, like the NY Times. Turns out she plagiarized it. Anyone that dumb shouldn't go to Harvard just bsed on the lack of common sense. Forget about the morality of it for a second; it's one thing to copy a paper and hope your teacher doesn't get it. But putting it out there for thousands to read and you've kind of crossed a line of bad judgement. Also, IIRC it wasn't even a very good article.</p>
<p>Plus there was the girl who graduated from Harvard and plagiarized an entire book a couple years back...</p>
<p>Oh yeah, I heard about that.</p>
<p>I have to say, this discussion has been really enlightening for me, especially to hear the viewpoints of all the parents, whom I applaud for making sure their kids avoid academic dishonesty, good grades or bad. </p>
<p>I just got into Hamilton College ED II, and they have yet to see my midyear report. I was freaking out because this semester I got my first B in AP Calc (I'm taking 3 other AP's and 2 college-level classes through local State U), but now I see that rescindment usually requires a much greater slip in academic, social, and even legal behavior. Hell, maybe I'll even let myself get another B or two next semester.</p>
<p>Getting rescinded is definitely not an extremely rare case. I've personally known four kids losing their place cause of senioritis (UCLA, UCSD, Cal Poly, and Georgetown).</p>
<p>Getting Bs? Don't worry about it. It's the Cs and below that put admits in deep water.</p>
<p>as chedva said, rescission is more of a possibility when your academic record after the acceptance is <em>markedly</em> less than what was reviewed to get the acceptance. So if there were some C's scattered about the transcript that the college reviewed, I would think having some Cs, during 7th / 8th would probably be ok.</p>
<p>"I don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but I'm pretty sure there was a highly publicized case of a girl rescinded from Harvard after she got caught palgiarizing."</p>
<p>She copied her friend's paper without attribution? I think you've coined a new term.</p>
<p>RA</p>