<p>EDIT: I can't edit the name of the thread but i meant ILR BS/MBA - sorry!!!</p>
<p>ILR offers a Dual Degree program with the Johnson Graduate School of Business where you would have a BS/MBA after five years. Has anyone been in this program or known others who have?<br>
Dual</a> Degree Programs</p>
<p>I too was wondering about this. Also, is it possible to do this in any other branch of Cornell, such as CAS?</p>
<p>i think it's only an ILR thing, but it's VERY tough to do. A mba is really a degree you get after having worked for several years ... the average age of students entering Wharton for the degree is 28. </p>
<p>It has been done before, but you need stellar stats and even better internship experience before you apply - even so, you're entering the MBA program with significantly less knowledge than your classmates who have been working for several years. A few students have done this, though I believe your best best is to do well in ILR, work, then aim for a MBA after a bit.</p>
<p>Gamestar - I've seen a lot of questions on CC this year about the usefulness of an ILR education to those who are interested in business. Also, those posters wonder whether ILR grads can get into anything other than human resources management. Can you address either of these issues? Also, is there a way to make yourself more attractive to business schools as an ILR grad? I know these are probably guidance questions - but since I've seen so many CC questions - I just thought I'd ask. Thanks!</p>
<p>as my kid is a soon to be ILR grad who will probably be applying to law school next year, this is info I'll pass on--</p>
<p>AEM offers a 9 credit certificate program in business management during the summer. We've received post cards about the program, but my kid was never interested in it, as she is geared more towards law or union employment than going into business. I thought the program sounded worthwhile for those kids looking into a business career. So you may want to check it out.</p>
<p>also you can take a 12 credit concentration of study through CAS. My kid is doing the Law and Society concentration. It will not be listed on her transcript, but she can note it on her resume to demonstrate her interest in Law. These concentrations of study are offered in many different fields. So I will assume there is one concentration that may be more business/economics related.
but for the life of me, I cannot find info on this on the CAS website. I did google law and society, and I did find specific info on that concentration, but it does not link me to other areas of concentration offered.
Cornell has such an incredible amount of activities/programs, that it is very easy to overlook all that is available to you.
--IMO- there are so many economic/ workplace globalization courses to take within ILR, I can't imagine that an ILR grad could not compete with the business grad. If you plan your coursework wisely, I think an ILR degree would be very valuable in the business world.</p>
<p>"I've seen a lot of questions on CC this year about the usefulness of an ILR education to those who are interested in business."
ILR does have stellar placement for those looking for the typical banking or consulting jobs - if memory serves me correctly, 26-27% of ILR grads who go into the work force enter either the financial industry or consulting. If you want to count HR consulting, tack on another 9%. </p>
<p>"Also, those posters wonder whether ILR grads can get into anything other than human resources management."
Explore this site for a bit: <a href="http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/admissions/careers/%5B/url%5D">http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/admissions/careers/</a>
You'll see a tremendous array of fields that graduates go into. I'm not really sure why people on here tend to mock HR jobs, it's not like graduates are going to be manning a call center taking employee complaints or anything. One of the big names in business media named HR management as a top-3 job to have, ibanking didn't even make the list. In HR, you can work 40-50 hours a week and still pull in $60-75,000 right out of ILR undergrad (as opposed to 90-110 hours a week for a $90,000 salary in ibanking). </p>
<p>Every high schooler on these boards makes a critical mistake - they think you must study X at Cornell in order to get into profession Y. My experience says otherwise. I did the career search and I was offered the same types of jobs that AEM, Econ, and whatever other major you want to throw in there was offered. Nobody is going to be at a disadvantage by studying ILR vs. something like econ in CAS - it's not how companies recruit. They care more about the Cornell part. </p>
<p>"Also, is there a way to make yourself more attractive to business schools as an ILR grad?"
I don't think business schools are really going to care that you're an ILR grad. They care about what company you worked for and how well you excelled. It's not like applying for a PhD or a master's degree in econ.</p>
<p>Well it seems gomestar does know a lot and what he is saying makes sense. Gomestar do you think that a BA in econ from Cornell would also offer the same oppurtunities?</p>
<p>Like can econ majors go into HR positions? Or only people with a BSILR?</p>
<p>That's a tough one. It really depends on how the company wants to recruit. The big banks and consulting firms recruit for every major on the Cornell CareerTrax website. However, companies can limit those dropping resumes to only students in certain schools (not certain majors). I do know that there have been quite a few jobs that were "ILR Only", many of these being either HR consulting or HR management type jobs. I'm sure these firms would hire an econ grad, but by limiting resume drops to only ILR students, they are essentially guaranteeing themselves students who have taken several HR classes and are interested in the field. This same tactics is also used for engineering firms. Can an econ grad land a job in HR management? Absolutely. Is there the potential that they have to jump around a few extra strings? Perhaps. Should an ILR student worry about not being able to do resume drops for the majority of jobs being offered on campus? No!</p>
<p>I do want to note that companies generally do not hire "CAS econ only" or anything like that. A student from AEM or ILR could do the job just as well and companies are aware of this.</p>
<p>Gamestar and Marny - thanks so much for your advice. I AM looking forward to the ILR education and believe that it provides me with the best, most practical and most interesting foundation for business. I'm not interested in a pure economics education and at other schools applied as a sociology major, but am so happy that I was admitted into ILR. I'm not sure exactly what aspect of business I'm interested in, but hope to supplement my ILR education with courses that are more finance/economics/marketing oriented. There was a link on the CAS webpage economics major referring to the ILR concentration but the link does not work. It also looks as though it is possible to "minor" in something, but I haven't found information related to what minors are available. I'm continuing to root around the website, and will be excited to plan my schedule. Gamestar - what are you doing on Wall Street?</p>
<p>"I AM looking forward to the ILR education and believe that it provides me with the best, most practical and most interesting foundation for business"
Looks like somebody did some research. Finally!</p>
<p>"I'm not sure exactly what aspect of business I'm interested in, but hope to supplement my ILR education with courses that are more finance/economics/marketing oriented."
1. You shouldn't even bother with a set in stone career path. I wanted to do law when I entered ILR, things changed big time.<br>
2. You'll have plenty of room to explore at Cornell. </p>
<p>"Gamestar - what are you doing on Wall Street?"
Organizational development and market strategy analyst for a major bank. I'm also big into the stock market and I may consider a move to trading one day. We'll see, I have a solid 40 years to work on my career.</p>
<p>Wow, it's great to hear about all the business buzz through ILR. I'm a prospective junior transfer and I chose to apply to ILR over AEM (I'm nearly set on an MBA down the road) because I believe that it really does provide students with the flexibility (coursework/career opps) and practicality(coursework) to be successful in the business world (sorry AEM.)</p>
<p>And it's really sweet that ILR students are allowed to take a few select grad b-school courses. My only concern is that a few of the required courses, "History of American Labor" and "Labor and Employement Law" for example, sound kinda dry. I'm also not too fond of Ithaca winters. </p>
<p>Solution to both? Take the wine course (dryness can be a good thing) and bundle up! Yeehaw.</p>
<p>from what I hear--the wine course is not at all easy. But it is pass/fail, so I guess that makes it a bit easier to deal with.</p>
<p>ah yeah I've heard that too. Apparently it's the most failed course at Cornell despite the fact that it's pass/fail.</p>
<p>I've also heard of a cooking course available through the hotel school. Although like the wine course, it's hard to get into. Decisions, decisions..</p>
<p>I shouldn't speculate so much. I'm still waiting on my admissions decision. lol</p>
<p>How difficult is it to get into this program?</p>
<p>Wines is one of the easiest courses I've taken at Cornell. Sure, there's hard questions, but you can miss like 45-50 out of 150 questions on the 2 exams and still pass. I'm not sure why everybody thinks it's so hard, I had near perfect scores on each exam and I didn't do much more than give the assigned parts of "Wine for Dummies" a good read. </p>
<p>""History of American Labor" and "Labor and Employement Law" for example, sound kinda dry"</p>
<p>History of American labor is one of the most engaging classes in ILR. You'll read roughly 300-600 pages a week, but it's a history class taught mostly through biographies or memoirs, and not simply boring texts. </p>
<p>Labor and employment law with Professor Gold is a notoriously difficult class ... one of the toughest at Cornell. You'll work for hours and hours to get mediocre grades. I got a D- on the second class essay ... and I beat the mean! Still, it was far and away the best class you can take as an undergraduate as you'll be forced to think differently, read differently, and write effectively. I'd do it again in a heart beat.</p>
<p>psh....just took the wines prelim last week. I think a monkey could have passed that test. The hard part was knowing what grape makes which wine.</p>
<p>but...I digress from the point of this thread :-)</p>
<p>eh, the grape thing is only really needed for French and Italian wines. It pretty much comes down to this for france: Loire valley is sav blanc white, burgundy is chard for white and pinot noir for red, bordeaux is sav blanc and semillon for white and merlot for the clay soil in the right bank (st. emillion and pomerol) and cab (plus merlot, cab franc, etc for a blend) for the stony soil in the left bank of the Medoc, syrah is the grape of northern rhone (most notably cote-rotie and hermitage) and a grenache/shrah blend is used in southern rhone (the coats du rhone and chateaneuf du pape appelations). </p>
<p>That's the toughest part of the course right there. The other bottles will have the grape right on the label.</p>
<p>thanks for the info....I'll keep it in mind for the final :-)</p>
<p>Thanks for shedding light on those courses, gomestar. ILR is seeming to be more and more the right fit for me. Do you know of any junior transfer that studied abroad for a semester? </p>
<p>I did hear that bit about Wines being the most failed course at Cornell from several Cornellians. I guess it's just a rumor.</p>
<p>eh....everyone says that. But on the first day the prof says that his class is the most failed....and questions how the rumor was started. Honestly...you really have to be a true idiot (or just lazy) to fail the class lol</p>