<p>everybody keeps mentioning about the cheating and pompous sternies
Who actually enjoys attending stern?</p>
<p>Me? Stern tries to help you at least a little bit in taking advantage of the city through the free dinners / Broadway shows (well those are very cheap, like $5-10). I find most of the classmates to be fine people, although maybe it's that pompousness does not see pompousness.</p>
<p>I feel a little sorry for them, throwing away their one chance at a liberal arts education to study . . . business? You can, and probably will, spend the rest of your life learning business.</p>
<p>Thats the point. I don't want to spend my whole life learning business but I want to spend it mastering it. Its not really throwing anything away unless that person likes liberal arts, you can always learn liberal arts once you've made it to a place in your life where your financially happy and want to fill in that space.</p>
<p>Take that Quiades. Diss Sternies and you get dissed back. That's why there are Universities. Not everyone is interested in the same thing.</p>
<p>im sure not all sternies are the "stereotypical" pompous, study all day type of kids. I got into stern, and I'm definitely not like that! I hope there are other kids like me in stern -_-</p>
<p>i think one of the reasons why people think sternies are pompous or arrogant, is because stern kids are actually smarter than the rest of the nyu population because it is more academically challenging to get into stern/stay in. maybe some stern kid is taking calc3 freshman year and some CAS person is taking calc1 and they see the stern kid as arrogant?</p>
<p>Master, ignore them. Just about everyone in these forums are idiotic HS students talking out of their @$$es. People that don't go to NYU really need to shut it in regards to the culture of our school, 99%+ of the time you have no idea what you are talking about and you are doing a great disservice to future applicants/students. </p>
<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=309548%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=309548</a> here I talk about some Stern things along with a few more of my threads floating around.</p>
<p>to address your two specific concerns. We are no more pompous than CAS students. We never start attacks on them, they constantly lambast us in the newspaper, with friends, online about how they are better than we are socially or how all we care about is money and cheating. They think we are somehow lame for going into "business" and not fulfilling ourselves by reading about the antiquity but they fail to 1) understand the job market at all 2) realize NYU has a fairly poor liberal arts department compared to its other departments and 3) mommy and daddy won't pay for them forever. 4) stuck too far up their @$$es to realize we wear suits to class because we actually have jobs unlike them.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I have more non-stern friends than Stern friends, but there are alot of irrational "haters" out there, so be careful who you listen to.</p>
<p>Yes cheating is rambid, but I don't know how big of a deal that is. I love how we are all "out to get each other" and "backstab" but at the same time everyone supposedly helps each other cheat though.</p>
<p>lmao at all of the truth in the above post.</p>
<p>I guess that thread was a little vindicative (being at work on nice sleep will do that to you), I'll try to give a more helpful answer. </p>
<p>People in Stern do go out less and are more competitive than people in other NYU Schools. But as an above poster noted, that is because we are statistically better students. It's not so much a "Stern" thing as it is a caliber of student thing. If you go to another top ugrad business school or ivy, you will see the people even lamer than Stern people. CAS is like Wesleyan, Stern is like Columbia culture wise I would say. </p>
<p>If you are in CAS you will have to deal with ALOT of mindless liberals. I am extremely liberal myself, but you'll notice alot of the ones in CAS are hypocritical and just followers (the same hypocrites for judge us for liking/wanting money, but walk around with $1000 purses). This is something you don't really witness in Stern, people are articulate. </p>
<p>The College Democrats this year illustrate my point perfectly (They are all basically CAS and Gallatin students). There was a major controversy in my school about the Republicans "find the illegal immigrant" game. They explicitly stated it was to cause controversy and attention. So what do the liberals students do? A massive protest that causes national TV to show up, and the Republicans got to go on Fox News among other shows. Thats not even the worse of it... After the event the Republicans wanted to have a panel/debate. The same college democrats that always complain about first amendment being in jeopardy ( which it is) 1) refuse to debate the republicans because they wouldn't apologize (didn't know you had to apologize for your opinion 2) refuse to debate with the minute man militia (call him a racist, instead of bothering to know his actual opinions [hes not racist just ignorant], however they always complain we don't talk to Iran [which we should]...since when is having an opposing opinion not give you the right to express it?) 3) heres the kicker, had there own panel with ALL pro-immigration speakers (republicans had one with both sides)...refusing to even let the other side speak. You're entitled to your opinions only if you agree with them. I'm extremely liberal and the hypocrisy and retardedness of this even ****ed me off, god knows how bad they look to conservatives.</p>
<p>I kind of went off on a tangent there, but that needed to be said haha. I usually find myself doing less work in Stern than my friends in CAS and Gallatin (its mostly just midterms and finals, so if you dont need to study much, you're pretty set...group projects get tough sometimes, but you don't have to write multiple 10 page papers like in other classes, which is nice, and notes are generally online, so you can skip class[CAS teachers never put their ***** online I've noticed]) So you will have more time to experience that city and culture in all probabilty, although there are a few people who study 24/7 trying to maintain a 4.0, this is unnecessary, a 3.5-3.6 and a decent personality will get you any job you want. </p>
<p>But the schools "culture" doesnt matter that much anyways, you spend about 10 hours a week in classes, the rest of the time you can be friends with whomever you want. You'll make more friends from your dorm than your classes by a large margin regardless of your school. Plus Stern has many more free things (computer lab, trips, etc) and is much better at getting you a job. If you don't like the people in Stern, just befriend people in one of the other schools, you're not cut off at all. But you spend 4 years at college and 40 years at the work place, so the job opportunities should be kept in your mind.</p>
<p>" . . . ALOT of mindless liberals."</p>
<p>Statistically better college students ought to know how to spell. It's "A LOT" -- two words.</p>
<p>There's the NYU pretentiousness, love it.</p>
<p>Melquiades eloquently (and unintentially) summed up the NYU culture, I don't think I could describe it better myself.</p>
<p>Oh God How Awful</p>
<p>Well I'll tell you, business boy, your future employers will care "alot" about your spelling.</p>
<p>I'm sure they will Melquiades. I'm sure they will also care very deeply about your thorough understanding of the otherwise useless liberal arts. In fact, I'm sure a thorough discourse on the finer points of punctuation and spacing will really win over the Goldman/MS/ML/etc. interviewer as compared to a candidate, who, say, doesn't have his or her head stuck so far up his @ss as to correct someone's spelling on an online forum.</p>
<p>Not correcting just any old spelling, but the spelling of a Sternie who had, minutes before, indentified himself with the "statistically superior students of Stern." Such statistics mean nothing individually, and CAS boasts students as intelligent as any at Stern. </p>
<p>As to the value of a liberal arts education . . . you will see.</p>
<p>liberal arts at harvard? maybe its not a bad path</p>
<p>liberal arts at NYU CAS? not exactly gonna put you at the top of resume stack</p>
<p>my thoughts...</p>
<p>It's sad to see how people are talking to "Melquiades" about his misspelling.MAYBE,just MAYBE, he just didn't care about spelling it right as long as everybody understood it. It would be impossible for anyone to read it as any other word. YOU SEE, business school has taught this young man it doesn't matter what billy in kansas sitting in his computer chair thinks about his spelling as long as good ol billy understands what he is saying.</p>
<p>Edit: And certainly, when applying for that 500k a year position, he'll make sure he spells correctly.</p>
<p>on a humorous side note, I interact with Managing directors about every day at my internship (people who make million+ a year), and they spell just about every word wrong... </p>
<p>Melquiades there is nothing to "see." There are statistics (yes used the word again) and common sense that show Stern people have both a much higher employment rate (even when taking into account grad school) and much higher starting pay. Yes you have 40 years to "learn business" but your lack of understanding shines through here...you will never get a business job in the first place, finance is a career path in which you can't even get an interview unless you went to a top school. As someone else said, yes at Harvard liberal arts is fine, mainly do to lack of ugrad business school, and because the average student is a genius, CAS loses out on both of these factors.</p>
<p>Top places put out easily found data about which schools they hired from. If you want to go get a Ph. D and be a teacher, then sure CAS is great (although you could get a much better education for cheaper else where). If you want a high paying, fast career track in business, then CAS is not the correct path. </p>
<p>"Liberal arts" is BS 90% of the time and gives you very little applicable skills beyond analytical writing (even this isnt directly transferrable). We take liberal arts classes while in stern, and I have a liberal arts minor (political science). They are taught at a High School level, no one reads the books, and teachers have insane interpretations. Spending a few hours on wikipedia will teach you more than spending a semester in most classes, and that is really sad. Furthermore, most of the books you read have outdated and disproven thesis and ideas, and are just plain boring. Sure you can obtain some value out of the historical context, but a summary is fine (I know you'll argue with me here, but you can only read so many authors talk about God, the inferiority of women and sex with young boys...trust me), or just read it on your own, you really dont need a class. If you enjoy listening to someones illogical interpretations (Everyone wants to be special) on a completely subjective/pointless/miniscule topic, and then listen to people debate it while missing the whole point (either didn't read it, or more likely, because they are morons), then maybe you will like it. </p>
<p>I know I was kinda broad, but liberal arts has many fields encompassed, so I didn't know what to exactly discredit.</p>
<p>Ok woops. In that post above, I meant "mattistotle", people were talking about your spelling.</p>
<p>btw, "kinda" is short hand for "kind of" which is colloquial for "slightly"...in case people had trouble understanding.</p>