<p>You know what, I’m just going to assume Williams will like me so I’m just going to lay off on the NCAA eligibility unless I jump about 21’6 this year.</p>
<p>wearingred,</p>
<p>In regard to contact of recruits about favorable admissions outcomes the current Ivy League rules are clear in this matter. </p>
<p>From the Ivy Manual 2011-2012 page 143: </p>
<p>PART X ADMISSIONS AND FINANCIAL AID, B. Common Admissions Procedures </p>
<ol>
<li>Early evaluation and applicant contact prior to common notification date</li>
</ol>
<p>“Coaches must not communicate or imply to recruits, families, or counselors that favorable admissions outcomes have been decided by an admissions office or will be decided by an admissions office at any point in the future. Coaches must state clearly to recruits, families, and counselors that admissions decisions will be communicated only by official written notification from admissions offices on or after October 1 (i.e., by likely letters or by admissions office notification in Early Action, Early Decision or regular processes), and that no other indication of a positive admissions result is or should be considered reliable.”</p>
<p>@BookBook; You should sign up for the NCAA. Better to be prepared in the event an offer is presented rather than scramble at the last minute. As for the the DIII’s, you can call the coach directly and ask to set up a meeting while you tour the campus. Its important to see if a school is a good fit for you both academically and athletically. You need to become proactive in the recruiting process. Coaches are busy, you need to make the contact and market yourself. </p>
<p>@Swimkidsdad; In all due respect, not everyone follows the rules, especially in the recruiting process. That is why 9th and 10th graders are committing all over the country! You are correct that “offical” notification cannot be given by an Ivy before Oct. 1st, but a true recruit will know long before that of their acceptance. That is why commits take themselves off the market from other schools. What I mean by “true” recruit is one that is being given full support in admissions from the coach. Many athletes say they are recruits when in reality they are given a spot on the roster once they are accepted during the ED or EA process. You get in, you can be on the team. Not the same as a recruit. Depending on how much the coach wants you, you can be given the soft copy of the likely letter which is word for word the hard copy likely letter that will be mailed after Oct. 1st. A coach will have that in his possession from admissions if he is supporting and presenting you as a recruit. You have to listen to what the coach is saying, not what you want to hear. Are you committing with conditions? That being defined as: “You need to raise your GPA”; “You need to get a 34 on your ACT from the 28 you have now”; “You need to take 4 more AP classes”…etc. Often when the process does not work out between an athlete and the Ivy, it is due to the athlete not fulfilling the conditions that were present during the recruiting process. If you commit as a 10th grader to an Ivy, and are unable to maintain or achieve the academic integrity required by the school, then you are in for a letdown. A coach needs to communicate what is required and where you fall on the support list. Example: 8 boys being present to admissions for the Men’s Soccer Team. 2 boys have a GPA of 4.0 and ACT scores of 34-36. 2 boys have a GPA of 3.5 and ACT scores of 28, but are the top players in the group. The coach will have the top scores and the ones in between to pull up the AI (academic index) of the group he is presenting to admissions. And I am sure those 2 boys knew long before Oct. 1st of their acceptance chances! The Ivies have had to do some creative things in athletic admissions to be competitive with the DI schools that have the NLI (national letter of intent) and tons of athletic scholarship money to give away. The prestige of the Ivies for some are a gamble without notification of acceptance due to the fact that they are unable to given athletic scholarship which for many creates a difficult decision to make in the recruiting process. Also, non Ivies are committing 9th and 10th graders in spite of NCAA rules as there are ways to get around it. Its a rough process, I have been through it 3 times with my kids. It was a full time job as a parent to navigate the maze of the recruiting process. So happy its over! Good luck!</p>
<p>@BookBook</p>
<p>Just so you know 21 ft long jump and 43 ft triple jump will not get you into Dartmouth or Yale for track. I know this from experience because I was recruited from a mix of D1 and D3 schools, and I was a jumper and a sprinter. If you want to be a track recruit at Dartmouth, Yale, or any other Ivy League, you would have to jump around at least 22ft 6 inches in long jump or at least 45-46 feet in triple jump. I know for a fact that 20ft in long jump and 43ft in triple jump will not get you recruited at any of the Ivy Leagues. Think about it! The track coaches want their athletes to be able to score points at the meets. And with those jumping marks, you wouldn’t be able to score at meets. You have a better chance of getting into D3 schools. Look into those. If you need advice, I would be glad to help out.</p>
<p>Since you are a junior, you most likely will jump farther this track season so I think it is premature to worry about your distances. Just work on getting them a bit farther. Your grades and test score will not be an issue for the schools you are looking at unless something changes.</p>
<p>Ok, thanks. I’m just going to focus on Williams for now.</p>
<p>@FlyEagle, are you sure that 22’6 and 45 would be what I want as a 16 year old junior. That seems a little ridiculous. Corey Muggler, a freshman at Dartmouth, was jumping 21’1 junior year, then again he was triple jumping 46 feet so maybe you’re right.</p>
<p>wearingred,</p>
<p>Your quarrel is not with me but with the committee of Ivy League presidents who wrote the rule that I quoted in post #22. What you are describing is, in the eyes of an Ivy league admission committee, nothing more than a positive academic pre-read. The formal academic pre-read process by admissions generally occurs during the summer between the recruits junior and senior year starting about in late spring/early summer with results available in July and August. There are far more athletes that pass the academic pre-read than freshman roster slots. At this point when the emails you described are issued the Common App is Just becoming available. If the email was binding on the admission committee the athlete could simply take the email and apply RD and wait for another email from another Ivy League school. In this way an athlete could get multiple Likely Letters which would cause chaos in the recruitment process. </p>
<p>What happens instead is that a select group of athletes that passes the pre-read are asked to apply ED/SCEA with full coach support. Almost all of these athletes are accepted by admissions. After a full application has been read and approved then the admission committee can issue a Likely Letter which must be written after October 1st to be binding. All other forms of a positive admission result can be safely ignored by the admission committee and the full application can be rejected. Note that many athletes that apply after a positive pre-read are rejected.</p>
<p>Swimkidsdad- When you say “many athletes that apply after a positive pre-read are rejected” you are not talking about those athletes with full coach support right? Can you clarify which group you are talking about in that case. Do you mean positive pre-read, but not full coach support. You last paragraph was a little confusing. Thanks!</p>
<p>To clarify- many athletes who receive a positive pre-read but are only partially supported by a coach are rejected.</p>
<p>weraingred,</p>
<p>My daughter was a “true recruit” at Yale and received her likely letter soon after Oct 1 and only once her full application was submitted and reviewed by admissions. I have never heard of such a thing as a “soft” likely letter, and have a hard time believing such a thing exists because it would be so blatantly at odds with the spirit if not the letter of Ivy league recruiting rules. Are you sure you are not confusing that with a favorable pre-read from admissions, which is something that all top recruits seek well before submitting their application? At that point (which in my daughter’s case was late July after junior year), the Coach can tell you that s/he will be supporting you for a Likely Letter and that based on past experience they don’t anticipate any issue in you receiving one provided your essays and recommendations are sound and your senior year class load is credible. I believe that any Coach who says more, including by suggesting that a soft likely letter has been approved, is merely freelancing and dangerously so.</p>
<p>Heights and Swimkidsdad are spot-on. But it’s no secret that some sports, hockey and lax for example, work on a much earlier recruiting timetable. The Ivy hockey coach that waits until senior year to get his commits is going to lose out on recruits that have verbally committed elsewhere. As a result, some coaches can be very, um, “creative” when it comes to assuring an early recruit how likely they are to be admitted. I suspect the “soft likely” that is, an email with the verbatim text of an actual LL, is a gimmick used by a rogue coach. In my opinion, there is no way any Ivy admissions office is going to blatantly violate the Ivy Common Agreement just to do a favor for the coach.</p>
<p>In fairness, kids that are fully supported early in the process are almost always admitted, but nothing is certain until the completed ap has been submitted and evaluated by admissions. To suggest otherwise is unethical.</p>