Does anyone know the usna acceptance rate for the class of 2013?

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<p>Linguistically there’s no match; vocabulary and syntax are different too. However, Bill would more likely recognize the irascible former poster you’re referring to… Along those lines, one might argue that luigi is the former VP hiding in some undisclosed location.</p>

<p>I suggest candidates listen carefully to mombee because she clearly has the ‘gouge,’ and appears to post primarily to inform, educate, and clarify issues related to gaining admission to USNA; not to argue and win debating points.</p>

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<p>Lol…ok…If one person had all the answers, we wouldn’t need forums like these where the purpose is to share information & knowledge since no one person is an expert in every aspect of the Academy.</p>

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<p>^^^That’s true! But, have you noticed how civilized, peaceful, and downright relevant the forum has become without another particularly irrelevant and irreverent serial poster??? Peace on Earth goodwill toward men…</p>

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<p>…no I haven’t…Which forum have you been following?</p>

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LOL. And what would this “information & knowledge” be? That milk toast political correctness has replaced fairness and common sense in the composition of a World Series color guard and that leadership is lying? That Naval leadership is doing everything humanly possible to reduce the quality of officer leadership in the 21st century? That LOAs are ‘above the law’ and do not require legal nominations? That the Admissions Department’s huge ego is causing them to intentionally deceive the public in relation to admissions statistics? That the only person who could possibly disagree with all this drivel is the reincarnation of a poster from long ago? My view is that much of the “information & knowledge” on these threads is highly suspect.</p>

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<p>Duke80 for President.</p>

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<p>Mombee offers alot of insight-I would listen! 2010,WP,Luigi and many others do likewise. Even Bill, although he claims to be a masochistic pig who won’t do his own cooking and cleaning and wishes he had a tattoo (haha). I would wish that Zaphod would come back.</p>

<p>On a serious note, take all on council-draw on it and make your best judgement and decision. Don’t hesitate to PM someone for extra help…</p>

<p>Happy Holidays! Go Navy! Beat Army(my poor brother)! Again!</p>

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<p>The issue here is that some sources, perhaps USNA, perhaps Princeton Review or similar hokey ranking systems discuss applications, acceptances etc. </p>

<p>For USNA …there “applications” simply are not equivalent to virtually any traditional institutions of higher learning. USNA officials can and do indicate there are 15,000 applicants. And for USNA that is a real, legitimate, credible term and figure. </p>

<p>Where it gets into trouble is when these services like Princeton, Fisk, USWR, etc. talk about applications and compare USNA’s w/ those at Cornell or Brown or Grinnell or wherever else. They simply aren’t the same thing. </p>

<p>And where it really gets off track? When they extrapolate these apps in to acceptance rates, thus suggesting USNA’s is 10% or whatever. That’s simply false advertising, if USNA were to use that …when it is either explicitly or implicitly compared to a Harvard, thus suggesting a 10% RoA. That’s simply silly and untrue. Now, does USNA use this information? If so, they indeed it is an implicit falsification, intended to mislead and suggest that USNA is more “selective” than these other institutions. For sure USNA is a highly selective institution. However, if USNA “applicants” were required to send along an app fee of a hundred bucks or so ??? Would drop like a stone.</p>

<p>So …accept the numbers. Accept the descriptive terminology. 15,000 apps give or take, 1,500 offers of admission/appointment. And that even includes the recent shift to a 2 track admissions. For as USNA has reported, it’s minorities are among the top minorities, even though not equivalent to the primary admissions track.</p>

<p>But don’t buy the 10% selectivity notion. It’s simply not a valid statistic when trying to “compare” institutions. Doesn’t work, isn’t true, and in the end, doesn’t matter. </p>

<p>What we do know…the 1200+ or - who ultimately matriculate would kick the butt …in virtually every way, shape, measure at virtually any and all civilian “plebe” classes.</p>

<p>And you know, the various comments on this thread lend great credence and confidence that in the end, common sense and those who have an ounce of it …get it. :wink: We shall overcome! :p</p>

<p>Merry Christmas to the weak along with the strong, in this season of charitablility. :cool: And to the remainder …happy festivus for the restofus! :eek:</p>

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I think this has already been said. But just to clear things up, USNA makes no attempt to publish percentages of acceptance. The merely publish the number and leave it up to Princeton Review and service academy forum members to make more of it than intended.</p>

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I would love to see first-hand data to support your premise.</p>

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<p>Unfortunately, said evidence has been provided and validated by news media around the world. Using FOIA data obtained from USNA admissions.</p>

<p>What would be more enlightening is if you could provide similar, hard evidence that would trump the data. As you’ve rightly noted, all opinions provided here are merely that. Opinions, devoid of facts. </p>

<p>Can you provide any official, documentable data and information that would provide readers with evidence there is NOT a dual standard? That these special admits are of comparable academic and scholastic and even PRT stature? Now THAT would end the discussion. None who could, do provide it. </p>

<p>Even on the USNA website, stats are now being provided separately, only comparing minority candidate appointments and admits to others in that category. Chest-pounding about how these distinctive candidates have distinguished themselves among their peers, at least peers of similar ethnicity and race. But deadly silence in comparing them against those whom the Academy has pitted them. And that makes it look very good in quick glance, very suspect in the total absence of a genuine overview. The very simple solution would be for USNA to provide, in those specialty categories, head to head data with non-minority, needs of the Navy categories. And the very obvious reason that it is not provided? It’s indefensible beyond crying “diversity” even though for that argument there is not a shred of evidence as to why minority enlisted personnel might be better led by their own “kind.” How sad is that, just positing this antiquated notion that the USNA is now embracing. Martin Luther King would undoubtedly be dumb-struck to see how far his dream has come …not. At least in this instance.</p>

<p>And did we note …this is the first year data has been provided as such? </p>

<p>Lay you 100 to 1 odds …we’ll not see that data, at least freely provided by USNA. It’s too unaffordable.</p>

<p>No doubt there’ll be ample defense here. But where it counts for real? None. The silence is convicting. Were it defensible, the Supe would have had his own op ed pieces in literally every newspaper on the planet. Why? Because as views on this and related threads reveal, it is THE most critical issue concerning THE USNA’s supposed highest priority. </p>

<p>And for the Academy to remain silent beyond a PR spokesman, sorta like Gibbs position?, is deafening. And revealing.</p>

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And we all know the news media has never been wrong even when feeding off unsubstantiated irresponsible anomynous blogs.</p>

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I showed on another thread that the data, since it included NAPS, was perfectly within historical parameters. Even Fleming could not dispute my reasoning.</p>

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Either that or it is a non-issue not worthy of their attention.</p>

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<p>Tis the season- brotherly love and all of that!</p>

<p>I believe the reason the question gets “asked” in the first place is to answer the preverbial question “what are my chances”, usually asked by those who are in the marginal ranks of the application pool. In that, include all three aspects of admission qualifications.</p>

<p>I was told, several moons ago, that those with the “thickest file” have the weakest case, and I will add to that, those who are insecure about theirs are the ones asking the question in the first place. All understandable.</p>

<p>But to each I would state the following:</p>

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<li><p>In the end, it doesn’t matter. Admissions is competetive, so be prepared to compete with YOUR best.</p></li>
<li><p>If your packet does not represent YOUR best, then do what you can do to address the areas that need work. Even if it is YOUR best, continue to strive to make it better.</p></li>
<li><h1>2 is in your control. Everything else is NOT. No amount of calculations, speculation, worry or fret will change that, therfore, continue to focus on #2- everything else is a waste of your time, no matter where you apply.</h1></li>
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<p>It matters not how many open up an application file- what matters is that YOU open one, YOU complete it- 100% - and that you do so TIMELY. When you have completed that, make sure you do the same for your backup schools- and make sure you have those. When you have finished that, get back to the business at hand - which is your studies- graduation from HS is still a basic requirement last I looked.</p>

<p>As for “what are my chances…???”
They are 0% if you do not complete that application.
Everything from there only improves that number.</p>

<p>Happy New Year!</p>

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<p>i heard that of all that applied(15,000 or w.e) about 4,000 get the nominations</p>

<p>of those 4,000 people only a little over 2,000 are actually qualified(medically, physically, academically) - and they accept ~1,500</p>

<p>anyone know if this is true?</p>

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<p>There are never more pending offers of appointment than there are spots available at any point in time. As rejections come in, additional offers of appointment are made. This is why some get a very late notice of appointment - generally as a result of the academy receiving a very late rejection.</p>

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<p>not necessarily- although after the class of 2011 had a higher yield than predicted, that may be true going forward. In the past, around 1500 offers went out to yield a class size of 1240, give or take. Based on acceptances, additional offers were made [usually a small number, if any]</p>

<p>The number of offers does depend, however, on incoming from the other sources for any given year- 60 or so from foundation, and numbers from NAPS- all of which have a seat in the incoming class provided they meet the requirements of those programs and obtain a nomination [the latter essentially a non-issue].</p>

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<p>But when they say they had 1500 offers that went out, they don’t mean all at once. What if they had 1400 acceptances from those 1500 offers. They can’t do that! </p>

<p>If they are targeting a class size of 1200, let’s say - they will never have more than 1200 pending offers at any one time. Some candidates reject the offer immediately which triggers another batch of appointments. Some candidates reject the offer at the deadline, which triggers some surprises appointments in the mail - sometimes just weeks before I-Day.</p>

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<p>Yes, some do decline immediately and others are offered these openings. However, navy2010 is correct. Based on historical data, they can anticipate within a few percentage points, the acceptance rate and will send out offers commensurate with this projection. Commencing three or so years ago, Admissions also established a waiting list. This allows them to ‘fine tune’ class size even further and is also the source of many of the late appointments. </p>

<p>Another source of late appointments perhaps is the MOCs allocated opening. Should the primary candidate decline at the deadline, Admissions will make an effort to fill that slot. Should number two have been offered an appointment from the national pool, he or she would simply slide into the primary slot. However, if this candidate was 3Qed but not of national pool caliber, he or she would be another late appointment. How late this goes on, I have no idea and Admissions will never state. Probably a case by case basis. But nevertheless, one of the well publicized ‘late’ appointments.</p>

<p>Many wait until the deadline to decline offers. To throw 200-300 offers into late May and early June would not be in the best interest of the Academy. Yes, they get ‘burned’ occasionally with a class that is a few members larger than anticipated but the waiting list seems to have alleviated this problem.</p>

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<p>Yes, I can see where they may have a very small percentage of “over”-appointments; kind of like how airlines will overbook a flight in anticipation of the few, inevitable no-shows. Then again, like you said, even the airline gets burned when, surprisingly, EVERYBODY shows up and they have to have volunteers to go on a later flight. Naturally, the academy does not have the option for the candidate, who has received an appointment, to take a “later flight.” They have to give him the appointment.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, I think it’s fair to say that they do not mail out any where NEAR 1500 offers of appointment to get a class size of 1200+.</p>

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<p>“Nonetheless, I think it’s fair to say that they do not mail out any where NEAR 1500 offers of appointment to get a class size of 1200+.”
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While I don’t have the exact numbers handy for Navy, I do know that for class of 2013, USAFA offered 1667 appointments and 1368 accepted. So, it seems reasonable to me that USNA may send out the 1500 offers noted (or maybe even more) to result in the desired class size.</p>

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This is exactly what they do. Your airline analogy is invalid in that with the airlines, everyone is attempting to get to Toledo. With college selection, Toledo might be the second or third choice, depending on the availability of flights elsewhere. On numerous Admissions briefings, I have heard them explain the consistency of historical data and that they can predict almost exactly how many will select. Could you imagine the turmoil in attempting to fill 25% of the class in May and June?</p>