<p>yes to ivy caliber .</p>
<p>It's all about the grapes being sour, nothing else...</p>
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The Steve Ballmer story gets old around CC. How about this? New Mexico State graduate.</p>
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<p>Well, let me ask you a question. Who's richer: Steve Ballmer or that New Mexico State grad?</p>
<p>Going to an ivy league will definitly help you in the long run..i dont understand why ppl choose not to accept that. probebly bc they themselves arent doing to a good school. if u go to one of the top 20 schools in the country, obviously u would do better in terms of salary. it doesnt have to be an "ivy" though. it can be like emory or duke...etc. lets say two ppl apply for the same job. it doesnt even matter wat job it is. one went to harvard, the other went to u of wisconsin. OBVIOUSLY, the harvard person will get the job over the other guy. anyone who disagrees is wrong.</p>
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<p>You would expect the next person in line is another Ivy league or at least graduated from Harvard. So the connection theory is not helpful in this case.</p>
<p>Take it from me...get your sleep in HS, Ivy/Ivy-caliber's not worth the late nights. :)</p>
<p>But seriously. People on this website seem to so often forget that there is much more to life than your education. There is your personal health, your impact on the lives of others, your personal accomplishments, fun (?). I haven't ever heard of someone who wanted to go to an Ivy League school (and ended up somewhere else) who felt limited in the pursuit of his/her ambition by the lack of that coveted Ivy degree. Ivy League is just a petty little high schooler dream, a passing fad if you will. If you get in, great! You will probably be a bit better off (depending on your major). If you don't, is that going to make any difference in who you are and who you want to be? Absolutely not. </p>
<pre><code> And, don't think a state school necessarily pales by some significant margin to an Ivy. I've done a research internship at Rutgers U and met some amazing people: undergrads, grads, and post-grads. Some of them were more than qualified to attend an Ivy but, for whatever reason, chose not to. For some it was a financial decision; for others, they compared the strengths of an Ivy (or "Ivy") education to the strengths of an education at Rutgers and found Rutgers the more practical/suitable option. I know one premed student who chose Rutgers over Princeton not only b/c of the money saved, but also because she found no immediate fault with the quality of research facilities at Rutgers. I met many successful people while I was there and they were all very intelligent and very motivated to succeed. People who think an Ivy education is the only way to set themselves up for life are delusional. Your school does not make you who you are: that's your job. Don't forget it!
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<p>And, am I going to be hypocritical and say I'm not aiming for a good school like many others on this website? No, of course not! My argument is more like: Even if you reach for the stars and fall a little bit short, well, you'll carry on just fine anyway. I for one don't intend to change my personal goals nor my interests based on the outcome of college admissions. That's just one step on a very long road.</p>
<p>^ have you ever "reached for the stars and fall short before"? I'm assuming that you're at Princeton U, unless I'm wrong.</p>
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it's a load of vacuous waffle, what these people are telling you, most people seem to be either defending their desire to get into an ivy, or else trying to convince themselves they don't care if they get in or not.
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<p>Heh. This sums up pretty much every related thread I've seen on CC.</p>
<p>I think that where you go to college - not whether it's an Ivy or not, but just where you go - does matter in the long run. Why? Well, people have already mentioned networking, the ease with which you get your first few jobs, etc. But here's one nobody has brought up so far. Any college will give you a different experience from any other. Experiences shape your personality, your character. And your character plays a big part in where you go in life.</p>
<p>I would not be the same person I am now had I gone to a different college. Does that mean that I would be a worse person, or a less successful person? Not necessarily. But I would definitely be a different person.</p>
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You would expect the next person in line is another Ivy league or at least graduated from Harvard. So the connection theory is not helpful in this case.
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<p>Well, let me see. The top 2 people at Microsoft (Gates and Ballmer) are Harvard people. What does that tell you about the connection theory?</p>
<p>And the other founder went to WSU. He still has more money than Ballmer. And is more interesting as a person.</p>
<p>Connection theory is like a dead clock that is right twice a day.</p>
<p>Not really. There is no long term salary difference between people who got into ivy league schools but chose to go to "lesser" schools and those that got into ivy league schools and went to ivy league schools.
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<p>Going to an Ivy-level school will definitely help you in the short term because (this is just my perception) it is much easier to get a higher-paying job right after you graduate. After that, it really depends on the individual. If they got everything they could out of their Ivy-level education, then they will certainly go on to have a successful career in whatever they pursue. If they didn't take much out of college, then it probably won't work out.</p>
<p>Again, just my perception, I don't know if the statistics support it.</p>
<p>The richest person I personally know graduated from a mediocre state school and founded his own computer business. I was over his house today (his son is my friend), he lives in this GIGANTIC mansion with a pool and everything.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my uncle did his undergrad at MIT, something at Carnegie Melon, and has a Ph.D. from Stanford and yet he still lives in a tiny apartment. It just goes to show that what a person DOES with the degree is much more important than what is on the degree.</p>
<p>I know this will shock some of you, but the sole measure of whether something "mattered" in your life is not whether you got a higher salary. Not that it doesn't count, but it's far from the only thing that counts.</p>
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<p>Pools are still a sign of wealth? :p</p>
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I know this will shock some of you, but the sole measure of whether something "mattered" in your life is not whether you got a higher salary. Not that it doesn't count, but it's far from the only thing that counts.
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<p>No, you're wrong. If you don't do i-banking, your life never mattered. Trufax.</p>
<p>I was thinking the question should have been posted by Sakky as who has more hair(Steve Ballmer and the New Mexico State) would have been a better question.:) After all, once you amass a certain amount of money, it does not matter how rich you are. What is the difference between $200 million and $10 billion? Not a whole lot at a personal level, except the $10 billion guy has to figure the best way to donate money to charity.</p>
<p>^ 200 mil is already good enough for many ppl</p>
<p>My interview was in alumni's office, NO SIGN of where he went to undergrad, which was an IVY, but his grad degree Vandy was proudly displayed on his wall. Hmm, my take away message, it means nothing where you go undergrad even if it is an IVY it doens't make the wall of your office. Makes the rejection letters seem way less important now.</p>
<p>Lmao...if it lets you sleep at night</p>