<p>That too OOS?</p>
<p>Counselor tells us not to due to budget cuts, she says its going to be a struggle.</p>
<p>We are looking at Cal schools (will apply to SCU). Any votes for a good Computer Engineering school - do you think its that bad out there? </p>
<p>B/B+ kid, with decent stats, not stellar like the CC kids here :)</p>
<p>If you have the money go ahead and apply. But a B/B+ student would have little chance at the top three (Cal, UCLA, and SD). Davis would also be a reach. Irvine might be possible and it has a great Comp Sci program. You could get into the lower tier UCs, but would be crazy to spend that kinda OOS money for a public, IMO. It’s not bcos of budget cuts per se, but for a little more than $50k per year (OOS price), you could attend a private and receive a whole lot more personalized attention.</p>
<p>Santa Clara is a fine school.</p>
<p>You need to take a look at the real effects of any budget issues and segregate it from the hype. One effect will likely be increased tuition costs so bear that in mind. If a counselor is saying not to bother then ask the counselor for specific reasons to see if she knows what she’s talking about. Generalities like ‘a struggle’ don’t mean much. </p>
<p>I don’t think any budget cuts have caused any noticable effects for my UCLA CS major kid.</p>
<p>Unless your kid comes from a region where that UC has no kids, your chances are minimal because of GPA. And, the cost would be crazy for a low level UC.</p>
<p>There are so many other schools. What is your home state? Can you pay full freight? There’s very little aid for OOS at UCs.</p>
<p>BTW…SCU is getting hard to get into, but if you don’t need any F/A, you’d have a better shot.</p>
<p>I hear they will take more OOS kids this year for financial reasons.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>Didn’t the UC’s just announce that they rescinded that idea? Too much backlash.</p>
<p>[AHS</a> c/o 2008](<a href=“http://www.arcadiachineseparents.org/college.html]AHS”>http://www.arcadiachineseparents.org/college.html)</p>
<p>Look at these scatterplots of the results from one large suburban high school in Southern California. You’ll get some idea of how your kid’s GPA/SAT profile fared in the admissions war. Of course, you’ll have to tweak a little to take into account being OOS.</p>
<p>I see no point for OOS to apply to a UC anymore unless you can get almost a full ride through need or academic scholarships. Otherwise they will be like CU and hit you up for full price to help with their budget problems. I simply see little value there for OOS students.</p>
<p>There are a lot of great engineering schools in the West that are as good or very close to the UC system to look at. Heck In cali I may have picked Cal Poly above the UCs frankly for your area or maybe San Jose State.</p>
<p>Judging by those results (the ones LMNOP cites, from AHS), Santa Clara is a big reach for students with GPAs below 3.5. But that’s just one school’s results.</p>
<p>Would you consider Arizona schools? ASU and U of A both have good engineering programs (not sure about computer engineering specifically) and I think they are more reasonably priced even for out of state. Just a thought.</p>
<p>When looking at the scatterplots in ellemenope’s post keep in mind that the ‘cut’, i.e. the stats requirements (GPA, SAT/ACT, etc.) are typically higher for the School of Engineering at several of the UCs (such as UCLA and UCSD) than it is for normal admission.</p>
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<p>Which don’t exist for OOS students. UCs don’t really have much (if anything) in the way of merit $ for in-state either.</p>
<p>There are so many other non-UC schools. </p>
<p>What is your home state? </p>
<p>Can you pay full freight? </p>
<p>There’s very little aid for OOS at UCs.</p>
<p>As a California resident with a son applying to college this year, I have nixed any of the UCs or Cal States except for our local school as an absolute last-ditch safety. The stories I am hearing over and over of classes being impossible to get, professors furloughed, “remote” classrooms (via internet), and the general disappointment of many students in their experience at the state schools has led me to believe that anything is better than the UCs or Cal States. If you have the means to send your child to a UC as an OOS, you’d be much better off at a private school or a state school where budget is not such a dire situation.</p>
<p>Have you seen this article: [Budget</a> Cuts Take Toll on Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2009/08/19/budget-cuts-take-toll-on-education.html?]Budget”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2009/08/19/budget-cuts-take-toll-on-education.html?)? It talks about the severe budget cuts many (but not all) states are having to make.</p>
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Although there are budget issues, as almost all colleges now seem to have (even many privates), and you’re right to consider this, I don’t think you should lump all UCs and CSUs together in this regard. Budget issues will impact the particular campuses in different ways with some being more severe and causing more impact to students than others. You also sometimes need to look at the particular program - i.e. something in the School of Engineering, versus the College of Letters and Sciences, versus the School of Arts, etc. since some will be more impacted than others. There are lots of variables.</p>
<p>“If you have the means to send your child to a UC as an OOS, you’d be much better off at a private school or a state school where budget is not such a dire situation”</p>
<p>Wow! That sounds pretty extreme! Have you considered this “across the board”? No matter what the “local” csu, the student, the major, or “the means”?</p>
<p>While I agree with UCLA_DAD that the cuts will have different impacts in different ways at the various schools that is very hard to determine from afar. In addition, I don’t see Cali bouncing back real fast so I expect even more cuts in the next couple of years. I would be very nervous sending my OOS kid to a cali public right now. You have no clue what tuition costs could spiral to or how bad the cuts could be in the next 4 years.</p>
<p>Their are a couple of other states I would hesitate to go to as well. Others are hanging in there and doing OK. I don’t think anyone is doing great right now. </p>
<p>It is a time for OOS public students to choose wisely and it is a bit of a gamble in many places. Cali is just the most obvious.</p>
<p>Probably some of this is true at some small LACs as well but I don’t follow those schools much as my sons had no interest in them</p>
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<p>Sure they do. They are called Regent’s, Chancellor’s, and Alumni scholarships. They can range from mostly honorary, such as a Regents at Berkeley which is something like $1000, to the substantial, such as a Regents at Davis which is currently $7500 per year.</p>
<p>^^^
They still don’t have much merit available for the mega thousands that attend UC…those merits you mentions are very few and far between. I have several nieces and nephews in UCs right now…all top stats…no merit $$ among them.</p>
<p>The sole exception is one got a one time $2500 award from her UC’s alumni club for being NMF.</p>
<p>Do any of the above require FAFSA submission?</p>
<p>Just looked it up…to get more than $1k from Regents, you must demonstrate need. That’s not merit to me.</p>