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<p>Yep. I tend to keep the capabilities of my calc to my self too at school. I don’t want it banned in class because all the other kids who dont have one would freak out if they found out what it could do.</p>
<p>In response to gbesq:</p>
<p>[SAT</a> Validity: SAT Studies Show Test’s Strength in Predicting College Success](<a href=“College Board - SAT, AP, College Search and Admission Tools”>http://www.collegeboard.com/press/releases/197359.html)</p>
<p>^Um, you did note that this press release praising the usefulness of the SAT comes from the College Board, right? What a shock. The ACT has a news release that says the same thing about their test. Ask any adcom what they place the most weight on and they’ll all tell you the same thing – the applicant’s high school transcript and difficulty of curriculum. The ACT and the SAT do one thing well – they give adcoms a standardized means to compare applicants who come from different high schools with different ways of weighting gpas, curriculums, etc. That’s it.</p>
<p>Of course I did, but similar studies have been done by independant researchers. I’m not asking whether the SAT has more weight than gpa’s, which it doesn’t, but whether it measures intelligence. If it didn’t measure intelligence colleges simply wouldn’t use it…</p>
<p>^Your statement doesn’t even make sense. If colleges only cared about your IQ they would use an IQ test for admissions.</p>
<p>Have you ever heard of something called actually working hard, getting over your ass, and studying? O_o That’s 6 times more important than IQ.</p>
<p>TI-89 is banned on the ACT. If they allowed it there would be 36s all over the place on the Math.</p>
<p>I don’t see how a Ti-89 would significantly help on the ACT. I don’t remember any problems that an 89 would really help over an 84.</p>
<p>Oh wooh, typo in my last post made it sound fairly rude. lol.</p>
<p>Cj don’t be naive the reason they don’t use an iq test is because if they did it would be considered politically incorrect.</p>
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<p>You need both. Hard work isn’t going to get you very far if you have an IQ of 2. That’s why GPA (hard work) and SAT/ACT (intelligence) are both considered.</p>
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<p>It would be a very sad day when IQ is the complete basis of academic success. Sure, it’s really nice to be able to sit around eating a bag of potato chips and surfing the internet while everyone else has to actually work, but seriously, try to look at the fairness of the situation. Put yourself in the feet of everyone that actually has to try-- it’s a lot harder when everything doesn’t just magically come to you, as if god’s grace. Intellect is luck just as it is luck of your skin color, eye color, hair color, or even appearance your born with. You don’t decide any of these, you inherit them from your parents… But for some reason, this random factor is valued and heavy emphasis is placed on it by society. But Something so random should never be the basis of academic success. Intellect isn’t a skill-set, but just something given to you, like earning money from winning the lottery. It’s also segregation to divide people into groups by IQ-- think if they did that with appearance, my god. Society would fail so much right now and it already does-- on 2 sides of the spectrum, but very closely linked, the media covets beauty, education covets IQ. However, there is an intermediate step in educating one self, called hardwork. Sure, it’s limited to some degree, but it’s not luck that decides how hard someone works, but determination and dedication – and that’s what society should value instead.</p>
<p>I’ve said that GPA is more important in judging an applicant than the SAT, I’m not advocating all we rely on is intelligence for acceptance. </p>
<p>This doesn’t take away the fact that there is a relatively high correlation of SAT score and college success, which is why colleges use it in the admissions process. Anything which can give adcoms greater insight into one’s probable future performance is valuable, and should be used.</p>
<p>The SAT also gives a chance to underachieving students of high intelligence. Adcoms recognize that teens slack off, yet they also recognize that one’s potential can be revealed in the SAT. Many of my friends are very intelligent, as reflected in their SAT’s, but didn’t try in school. They didn’t get into ivies, but were able to make it into some very good universities. Once in college, they began to utilize their skills and flourished, graduating with very high GPA’s.</p>
<p>The SAT is also very important for students who do not have access to AP/IB classes. Because my school does not offer such classes, the only way I can demonstrate the validity of my GPA is by getting SAT scores comparable to those of students who do have access to such classes.</p>
<p>The SAT is not an intelligence test, nor is it intended to be one…</p>
<p>Can you back up your opinion, arachnophobia?</p>
<p>^Umm… maybe the fact that the SAT tests how much vocabulary you memorized? I’m pretty sure that isn’t intellegience. The need to memorize vocab is no different then if you had to memorize the digits of pi for the math section.</p>
<p>Writing an essay in 25 minutes is not indicative of intellegience. This is from experience in life, so your testing how much someone reads the news and leaves their house.</p>
<p>Trial and error\ guess and check math problems are not indicative of intelligience.</p>
<p>Small\hard to read print that requires memorization of everything that can be known about pronouns and verbs is not indicative of intellegience.</p>
<p>But it does make reasonable sense: pay some well known psychologist and make them come up with some made up results about how SAT scores and intelligience correlate. After all, the money gained from selling all the “blue books” is more. Instead of testing what people learn in school lets just test random obscure concepts and say it’s based on intellect, wooh!</p>
<p>I agree with your point about vocab, to an extent. I also agree with your point about the essay, and colleges agree as well because the writing section really isn’t considered during admissions.</p>
<p>^I agree with cjgone:
The math section is what has been disturbing me of late. I’m trying to help people solve problems through deriving equations and solving the algebra, and then some other poster comes along and just lists a formula that allows the test-taker to solve the problem in ten seconds rather than a minute. When asked where this formula comes from, the poster either does not respond or posts something along the lines of “That is not important. You just need to do it.” Same thing with guess and check. Test-takers learn which numbers to plug in, and rather than have to do all the work, they can get the answer much faster. I don’t think “intelligence” constitutes these ways to game the test using no math knowledge whatsoever, unless someone with a high intelligence these days is the one that is given shortcuts to memorize. </p>
<p>It’s not hard to think of problems that can’t be gamed, either. The AMC test does that every year.</p>
<p>The test may be easy memorization for us, but there are a good number of people for whom plugging the correct numbers into the correct formula is a difficult process. I know some of these people; they have a formula and values for the variables written on their paper, and they’re in awe when I can give them the correct answer in five seconds. Of course the test seems easy to people here; the kind of people who would go on the CC boards and debate this are significantly above average.</p>
<p>Let me pose this question: how people you consider to be unintelligent or of average intelligence score above 750 in math and critical reading?</p>
<p>^The answer to that does not matter. The point I’m trying to make is that these sections do not test pure intelligence, as an IQ test would. They don’t even come close. A true intelligence test, if you took it thirty years apart (assuming you first took it older than 18 or so), will get you about the same score, no matter how much knowledge you have acquired or if you studied for said test in the time since. But, if I took the SAT math when I was 18, fresh off of studying for months and doing many practice problems, I will certainly get a higher score than when I take the test when I’m 50, even if I’ve received a graduate degree in mathematics between these testings. Likewise, if I took it when I was 18 with learning only up to pre-algebra at that point and no studying, I will get a significantly higher score if I am 50 and have not only learned algebra, but geometry, trig, calculus, etc. And if I study and practice rigorously when I am 50, I will get an even higher score. But did my intelligence change dramatically between these two sittings? No. Intelligence does not change upon reaching a certain age (*actually, it declines very slightly according to some studies, but this would not near the potential decline or increase in SAT scores). </p>
<p>Yes, the SAT measures a degree of intelligence. Almost every test does. But it is by no means an intelligence test.</p>