Does the SAT measure intelligence?

<p>If only this was the way governments operated…</p>

<p>You mean coming to a somewhat meaningless truce? That is how government works :/</p>

<p>Many years ago , there was a very strong and direct positive correllation between IQ tests and the SAT. Many of the types of question were the same. However, the same “cultural Bias” assertions that essentially killed the use of IQ scores led the college board to incorporate other types of questions into the SAT, which did nothing more than compress the range of scores and weaken the correllation to IQ tests. The college board then began describing its test as a predictor of success in the first year of college to move away from the comparison to IQ. At its core, the correllation continues to exist albeit in a weakened state. To illustrate the change, MENSA will accept SAT scores in lieu of IQ tests but only for older version of the SAT. The PC stormtroopers continue their efforts to dumb down the SAT. They will not rest until the test scores everyone the same. And at that point they will declare it to be perfect. Perfectly useless.</p>

<p>^It begins once again . . .</p>

<p>^Yup, the person’s just probably angry that someone with half their IQ beat them on the SAT because they actually had to work hard. As I always say, get off your ass, congratulations with your super high IQ, you may as well have won the lottery. No one cares. The world would be better if everyone was equal anyway, so that’s a good thing.</p>

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<p>Umm, okay this is true with tests in high school too. It’s common for people who are smartest to get the highest scores on tests. And there’s also people who are smart who don’t get high scores too.</p>

<p>There’s a correlation great, but it’s not very strong. You’d find the same correlation on the ACT, yet it’s not an aptitude test.</p>

<p>So I guess you can say all tests pretty much test for intelligience, so I don’t find the SAT to stand out as an IQ test.</p>

<p>I’ll even give a personal anecdote if i’m not very convincing. My sister used to be in a gifted program for several years and tested over a 140+ IQ and only has a 1700 something on the SAT, but a lot higher on the ACT, which ironically does not call itself an aptitude test. I also have a signficantly higher score on the ACT than the SAT.</p>

<p>The SAT puts anyone who doesn’t think in a specific way at a disadvantage. That’s not testing intelligience, sorry.</p>

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<p>A completely different topic, but I’d argue the stratification of society is completely necessary. Of course, there should also be optimal social mobility.</p>

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<p>IQ tests do this too…</p>

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<p>Because everyone that’s intelligent is a good student?</p>

<p>The ACT test is not an aptitude test but it is less correlated with intelligence than the SAT is. It tests skills (such as the ability to spot grammar mistakes and perform math) rather the the ability to reason.</p>

<p>One thing to remember about the SAT is that it was originally designed to let students who had received poor schooling demonstrate they had the ability to do well in college by showing that they were innately intelligent. One of the major problems with the SAT and the ACT is that they no longer do this. The SAT tests “developed ability”, and the ACT was never more than a skills test. Neither is highly correlated with g. Students who go to bad high schools and can’t afford prep courses are thus at a severe disadvantage and have no way to show they are smart. In this sense, the SAT no longer fulfills it’s original function.</p>

<p>Prep courses are unnecessary, I know many people who scores above 2150 on their first try without prep.</p>

<p>^^ </p>

<p>The plural of anecdote is not data.</p>

<p>Almost no one scores that highly without some sort of test prep, and almost all people do prep regardless of what they say. In any case, if they are doing well without a prep course it is because they had the skills taught to them in school, and are thus able to perform well without prepping outside of their classes. I think that is the most unfair part of the system. It rewards people from rich school districts and punishes everyone else.</p>

<p>It also depends on your definition of prep. Tons of people get 2150+ without going to prep courses. But if you definition of prep is opening a book about the SAT, then very few get 2150+ without prep. But it is most certainly possible to get 2250+ by following the Xiggi Method which only requires a person to buy the BB or BB2 which costs $20 ($15 on amazon).</p>

<p>Perhaps people in poorer school districts are less intelligent. Perhaps the poor are less intelligent. Generalities, of course.</p>

<p>^you seem to be the king of generalities.</p>

<p>Generalities rule the world.</p>

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Unlikely. Intelligence is primarily divided among racial lines- whites as a group “regress to the mean” IQ of their ethnic group. This is true of all races, more or less.</p>

<p>^^you must be joking. Please tell me you are joking. Please, please… Isn’t this what the Confederacy used as an argument for slavery? It was called the “positive good” argument.</p>

<p>I am not joking, and if you wish we can examine the overwhelming preponderance of psychometric data data which supports this conclusion.</p>

<p>Yes, please post some of that psychometric data. And just because some races do better/worse on the SAT and ACT than others doesn’t mean that IQ “regresses to the mean” along racial lines. It could just be that a higher percentage of a certain racial group is at a socioeconomic disadvantage that shows up in their test scores. Saying that certain races are, in general, dumber than others, which is essentially what your argument boils down to, strikes me as extremely racist.</p>

<p>I know people who have gotten 2250+ without prep – yes I know it’s not “proof,” but I’m positive there are many people out there who can get great scores without prep.</p>

<p>You’re right, it’s not proof and it is therefore irrelevant.</p>

<p>This blog post contains links to a number of scientific studies and articles that deal with race and IQ. If you have never really looked at this stuff I suggest you read it all. Note that many of the thinks he says in sentence format are links which will not show up because I copied and pasted the entire passage.</p>

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