<p>I proved nothing of the sort. I have never once claimed, as you asserted, that my arguments are never flawed, and in fact, I have freely admitted that they can be. However, that demonstrates that your argument is clearly flawed. </p>
<p>I find it interesting that you seem to have deliberately stated something wrong in order to try to somehow win a pedantic debating point about how I would demonstrate that you are wrong. But two can play at that game. I am going to state that the moon is made of green cheese, and I will predict that somebody will say that i am wrong.</p>
<p>You did prove that you would argue that my argument is false. So you did indeed prove something. Also, I do not believe I have ever before seen you admit to your arguments not always being correct. You have just now done this in order to be able to argue against my argument. My statement was speaking exclusively of the past and not what you would do in the future. After all, I cannot predict what will occur in the future. Therefore, your argument that my argument is flawed is clearly flawed itself.</p>
Your “argument” was nothing but a statement. We can fire unjustified statements at each other all day and achieve nothing. Unless you are prepared to offer evidence and analysis, there is no reason to continue posting in this thread.</p>
<p>RE engineering attrition rates: I don’t understand why we’re arguing about this at all. I don’t see how it is relevant.</p>
<p>Uh, if you’re wrong, then of course I (or somebody else) is going to tell you that you’re wrong. Similarly, if I assert that the moon is made of green cheese, then I would expect somebody to say that I’m wrong. </p>
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<p>Then all that means is that you are making a tautology based on the past evidence that you have seen. For example, I can just as easily say that you have never made a statement on CC in the past that the moon is made of green cheese, but what the heck does that prove? </p>
<p>Look, at the end of the day, if I disagree with somebody (i.e. regarding a mythical '80% engineering graduation rate), I am going to say so. People are then free to disagree with me, and then we can discuss it to see where the truth really lies. </p>
<p>But if you don’t want anybody to ever disagree with you at all, then may I suggest that you don’t even bother posting at all. Instead, you can just have a conversation with yourself, which could go something like this:</p>
<p>Salve1: I am the most brilliant man in the history of the world
Salve2: That is true, and you’re also the most handsome</p>
<p>Hey Salve, so how’s it going?<br>
Oh, it’s going pretty good. I do have a lot of homework to finish though.
That’s sad, it’s probably going to get worse when the real engineering classes come.
Ya, I’d have to agree, that’s what I’ve heard at least.
So, I heard from someone that engineers are stupid.
BLASPHEMY! Who ever told you such a thing?
I don’t know, some stupid kid.
Ya, I’d say they’re stupid.
Of course I disagreed with him and argued. No one can ever disagree with me.
I know what you mean. I don’t think that anyone should ever disagree with anyone.
Wouldn’t it be such a wonderful world then.
You’re telling me. Except wouldn’t nothing really get done then?
That’s true… hm… what can we do about that?
I’d say we just start having an argument with some person online.
Oh, you mean some guy who is probably afraid of girls?
Ya, that’s the kind of person, or some girl who’s afraid of guys.
True that, I’d say that’s a fantastic idea.</p>
<p>Then we come to you…
Have at everyone else’s discussions sakky. I’m done with you.</p>
<p>Salve1: I’ve found a way to become the most ingenious man in the entire world
Salve2: Oh really, how’s that?
Salve1: It’s so easy: I’ll just assert that everybody else who disagrees with me said things that they actually never said. For example, I’ll just claim that they said something ridiculous like that all engineers are stupid or that nobody should ever disagree with anybody.
Salve2: Wow, that’s absolutely brilliant!
Salve1: Not only that, but I’ll throw in a couple of personal insults into the mix, like how they must be afraid of the opposite sex, even though doing so is a clear violation of the terms of use and may actually get me thrown off the discussion board entirely. It doesn’t matter, because I’m such a genius! I don’t need to follow rules, because I’m the greatest!
Salve2: That’s true, and by the way, you’re so handsome, Salve!</p>
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<p>If you were truly done, then you wouldn’t have bothered to keep posting.</p>
<p>This regards a discussion that started on the first page of this thread. The OP asserted that only 1/5 of all engineering students will actually graduate (from an engineering major, or at least that was so implied), and that became a point of contention. </p>
<p>Personally, I think that 1/5 figure is too low, however, the alternative figure of 80% that was proposed is clearly far too high. Heck, the overall college graduation rate from any major is nowhere near 80%. But in any case, that is where the thread veered into a side-alley.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, to return the discussion to its roots, I tend to agree that prestige matters little for the majority of engineering jobs. Where prestige plays an important role is if you’re pursuing non-engineering positions such as the careers in strategy consulting, investment banking, private equity or venture capital that of late have become so popular with many of the top engineering students from schools such as MIT and Stanford. It’s practically impossible to obtain an offer from McKinsey if you went to Idaho State University. Heck, you probably won’t even be able to get phone-time with the McKinsey recruiter. Fair or not fair, that’s how that game is played.</p>
<p>That is what I said originally. I didn’t say it WAS an 80% graduation rate. I said that I had a feeling it was closer to 80% than it was to 20%. If the actual attrition rate is 50%, then it was pretty much right in the middle, but still nowhere near the dismal 80% that was originally suggested.</p>