Don't disregard SSP

<p>From SSP '04, out of a combined class of about 70 students, the following numbers went to the following schools:</p>

<p>Amerherst: 1
Cal Poly SLO: 1
Caltech: 3
Carnegie Mellon: 1
Case Western: 1
UChicago: 1
Columbia: 2
Hampshire: 1
Harvard: 4
Harvey Mudd: 4
Johns Hopkins: 1
MIT: 9
Olin: 1
UPenn: 1
Pomona: 2
Princeton: 2
RPI: 2
Rutgers: 1
Stanford: 3
Swarthmore: 1
UC Berkeley: 3
UC Santa Cruz: 1
UCLA: 1
USC: 2
Wellesly: 2
Yale: 4</p>

<p>I hear a lot of people give a lot more credit to programs like RSI or SHARP, but don't count SSP out! I went to SSP last summer in Socorro, NM and I absolutely had the time of my life.</p>

<p>I count 6 schools on my list ^_^ In retrospect, I wish I had applied for SSP, but I looked at its price tag and thought, nahh. I think a certain verse from the MIT Marching Band song regarding Princeton, Wellesly, Yale, Vassar, and Harvard is appropriate here, although not to post :D</p>

<p>I think more credit is given to RSI and SHARP on the basis that they are more selective (or were, SHARP no longer exists), although that says nothing about the quality of SSP. However, RSI recommendations have legendary sway with admissions officers, no? All RSI '04ers who applied to Caltech got in with full rides, according to staticsoliloquy.</p>

<p>But just the fact that you guys have such programs is good :) I have Concert Band Camp at UMass Lowell, which was such a blast this summer, but not what MIT's particularly interested in.</p>

<p>And last year, RSI grads went to:</p>

<p>Harvard 24
MIT 22
Caltech 13
Princeton 6
Stanford 4
Yale 3
Duke 1
Penn 1
Dartmouth 1
UNC Chapel Hill 1
University of Pittsburgh 1</p>

<p>lol... sorry, just had to post that ;)</p>

<p>It's not just a marching band song -- it's the quasi-official MIT school song!</p>

<p>What's SSP and RSI?</p>

<p>EDIT: nvm I found out what they were </p>

<p>Does SSP and RSI increase your chances of being admitted to top tier schools or is it simply a coincidence that the kids that go to SSP and RSI are the kids that have what it takes to get to top tier schools?</p>

<p>Typically RSI students are selected under the same guidelines, if not stricter, than that of the top colleges. So they naturally end up going to great universities and such. SSP is less selective (~25% get in, where in RSI ~10% I get in, i believe) but the program itself is still spectacular. RSI focuses on individual research, SSP focuses on an actual curriculum of programming, high-level calculus, astronomy, and programming to do the SSP project (tracking an asteroid w/ orbital mechanics). Both RSI and SSP help your chances in getting into top colleges because first of all you got into the program, second of all you had the initiative to spend your whole summer being a total g33k! :)</p>

<p>What are SSP and RSI? How and why do these programs increase one's chances?</p>

<p>I normally would prefer to give you more than just links...but I am rather tired, and working on other things soo...
RSI: <a href="http://www.cee.org/rsi/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cee.org/rsi/&lt;/a>
SSP: <a href="http://www.summerscience.org/home/index.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.summerscience.org/home/index.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Lol well I guess I should see if I can get in, it's definitely a lot more fulfilling than spending summer working at your local fast food restaurant.</p>

<p>I'll apply to both......</p>

<p>Mail comes:
"We are sorry to inform you..."
Rejected RSI.
Me: "That's ok. I'm not mr.physics anyway, I guess."
"We are sorry to inform you..."
Me: "Screw you SSP"</p>

<p>Then,</p>

<p>"Hey! Family Guy is on!"</p>

<p>RSI rate is closer to ~5%.</p>

<p>It's more the kids than RSI -- RSI, like probably SSP and SHARP, is really just an awesome place to go to have fun and do really cool science. It's just harder to get into and sounded like more fun/more appealing science to me.</p>

<p>lol, yeah, RSI is the ultimate way to spend the summer. Plus it's free - can't say that about SSP, can we? ;)</p>

<p>Yeah RSI sounds better at this point, it costs less to attend (practically free if you live nearby) and a bunch of RSI grads end up going to the top schools.</p>

<p>Yeah....leave that for the ginormous RSI thread.</p>

<p>I want to know about SSP at the moment.</p>

<p>Can you explain how your day went over there?</p>

<p>Ooh! SSP and RSI on one thread! I actually attended SSP in sophomore summer and RSI in junior summer (hey, "sran"!!). The two programs are VERY different. </p>

<p>A typical day at SSP was astronomy lecture and physics lecture from 9am to about 3pm (with a lunch break, of course). After that, the rest of the day was dedicated to the orbit determination project. For some people that meant 3 or 4 hours in the measuring room (known as Azkaban our year) analyzing their photographic exposures. Other people had midnight observation sessions to prepare for. Other people had some time to relax and work on the Problem of the Night or the physics and astronomy problem sets. Everyone essentially rotates through those three subsets depending on their research group's schedule for each week, how fast they got their exposures, how long it took them to measure, etc. There's a thread on SSP in the High School Life forum for more perspective on SSP.</p>

<p>On the other hand, at RSI, depending on your field, an average day could be spent doing an 8-hour workday in a lab. OR for those ridiculous math mentorships, it could mean sleeping until noon, meeting with your mentor for an hour, and then finding a nice corner in a library to work on your project individually. For me, it was the former of those two scenarios. The rest of time outside of lab was spent doing random stuff: working on a massive 6ftx6ft crossword, playing Ultimate, being sketchy, pimping it up, etc.</p>

<p>RSI is a much larger program than SSP. Thus, the SSP culture seemed a lot more closeknit during the program than RSI did. There were many people at RSI who I hardly talked to, whereas at SSP I knew everyone really well. However, RSI, being in the middle of Cambridge, does foster a much richer social atmosphere (Rocky Horror, anyone?) than SSP did.
Despite the greater prestige of RSI, SSP was a much more stimulating intellectual and research experience for me, probably because of the daily classes and EXTREMELY hands-on, unpredictable research project. At RSI we were left more on our own and the quality of the research projects was much more variable. I know one person who got bunted for lab to lab when her mentor didn't realize that she actually had to complete a research project in the 6 weeks and actually went from a bio project to a math project. My project went really well, but it was entirely programming-based, which was a bit of a letdown after the variety of SSP.</p>

<p>I would say that SSP is a more structured, dependable experience, while the spontaniety of RSI can lead to much more brilliant research OR much crappier research. </p>

<p>P.S. Another thing to note with the number of RSI vs. SSP grads who go to top colleges is that (as mentioned above) RSI is more than twice as large as SSP. If I knew percentages for the two, that would probably be more helpful, but I don't. Does anyone else happen to know what percentage of Rickoids vs. SSPers go to the top colleges?</p>

<p>P.P.S. Another plus to RSI is that they essentially have a college mafia disguised as an alumni association, which can come in quite handy. ;)</p>

<p>Wow...That was probably the most informative and objective post on RSI and SSP that I have read....</p>

<p>OMG. I guess Rocky Horror must have some intimate connection with gatherings of "nerds." (We at MC put it on this past summer.) Not quite what one would expect... :P</p>

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the spontaniety of RSI can lead to much more brilliant research OR much crappier research.

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Yea I went to SSP and a friend went to RSI. The research he took 6 weeks on at RSI, I did as extra fun research in the last 3 weeks of SSP. So it just depends</p>

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it costs less to attend (practically free if you live nearby)

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If money really is a problem for you, SSP gives huge aid, so I don’t really see that as a pro or con to either program.</p>

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a bunch of RSI grads end up going to the top schools.

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Honestly that’s true for both programs. True RSI has more prestige connected with it, but like I said at the beginning don’t disregard SSP. It’s a great program and as the list up there testifies, it could help you get where you want to go</p>

<p>sr6622: glad it was helpful. Let me know if you have any other questions about the two programs.
sky9073: Wow! Well, I guess you guys beat us, because we only attended a screening and burlesque show of it; we didn't perform it ourselves. That must have been quite an experience. ;)</p>

<p>I went to SSP in socorro last summer too, and it was free for me
basically, if u can afford to pay, you pay. if you can't they will gladly pay full price. So people who are constantly bragging that RSI was completely free are always forgetting this fact...</p>

<p>JOSH!!!
It's ur homie Jason! HOLLA BACK</p>