<p>As a transfer student, I HAD to double deposit to hold a spot because I heard of admission from all the schools at different times. Could my admission be rescinded for this?</p>
<p>And off topic - transfer deadlines and notifications should really be at least somewhat standardized, instead of hearing from one school in March and another in late June. This necessitates double depositing, not to mention making the whole admissions/transfer process much more complicated.</p>
<p>For the life of me, I still do not understand why a student would apply to a <em>reach</em> school --not a safety, not a "match" -- LOL, some people think of Ivies as their Matches; they may be, but you won't know that until you're accepted:) -- if the student has serious reservations about attending that school, or schools, plural. Why would you apply to HYPSM or BCCD, etc., as much effort as those apps take, if you need to agonize over a truly top-flight school (against a peer school)? After all, I believe this is where this entire thread began: choosing between 2 super-reaches which are peer schools in many respects.</p>
<p>Many students have no desire to attend an Ivy -- despite their abilities, their records. They may not want those locations, may not qualify for F.Aid, etc. They have done the interior imagining: Can I picture myself at this college & how do I feel about that? Isn't this process supposed to happen BEFORE & DURING APPLICATION, not to mention the subsequent period after application, when students often have second thoughts, or learn new information about a school applied to, that adjusts their priorities (long before May 1st). </p>
<p>If you initially fell in love with 2 fab schools, both of which later accepted you, what cataclysmic harm can befall you by making an arbitrary choice (if no negatives surface between April & May) between 2 choices which YOU STILL VIEW AS (POSITIVE) EQUALS on April 30? And if they're negatively equals, why did you waste the admissions officers' time by applying in the first place? Is the "problem" that they're equally despicable? </p>
<p>I am not talking about "wait" aspects that pertain to the U's need to give you info that you have already requested, including F.A. or anything else that's in their court. Or decisions that arrive at diff. times. I am talking about ONCE YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN POSSIBLY HAVE on 2 or more schools PRIOR TO ENROLLING & ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING LIFE AS AN UNDERGRAD. I do not believe the OP was waiting on F.A. at either school. The early suggestion about double-depositing related to the OP's specific situation & indecision -- not to different (theoretical) situations. (Btw, the OP has long since made the decision, since CC students helped him.)</p>
<p>There is not a lot of <em>different</em> info about an accepted school of choice that a student will learn between May 2nd and August ___, (other than facts obtainable by questioning officials, by questioning enrolled students, etc. -- all of which can be obtained, if specific, by picking up a phone PRIOR to May 1). The only more thorough & consequential info will not be forthcoming until a student actually matriculates as a freshman at a particular school. There are always surprises, at every school: we assume some will be good, some bad. Some students apply to certain academic programs, only to learn after enrollment that the program has been modified ( + or -), only to learn that a cherished professor in that field is retiring (& not announced that until Sept.); only to learn that the weather is better or worse than one imagined; only to learn that a particular field of interest has a different emphasis than what appeals to you after tasting that field; only to learn that the e.c. that you have previously participated in & assumed you would continue, no longer holds your interest -- or at least in that environment with those participants.</p>
<p>It is not possible to double-enroll, however possible, laudable, unethical or however people may view double-depositing. That is why in this particular (original) case, double-depositing will not, would not, necessarily "solve" a dilemma. It does appear that the student's initial lingering questions were answered to his or her satisfaction -- again by other students -- when the OP got specific on diff. forums. But if one truly has no more specific, answerable questions, double-depositing will not answer general, equally balanced indecision to greater satisfaction. There are no guaranteed outcomes, personally or professionally, at any higher institution.</p>
<p>Also known as "you can't have your cake and eat it, too." :)</p>
<p>Rabid Reader, I liked the off topic comment you made, which I don't think is off topic at all. I hope you get everything sorted out as quickly as possible.</p>
<p>Also, re: my post #160 - I meant bottom left corner.</p>
<p>what I meant was that this discussion was opened as a new thread after the double-depositing was suggested in response to a voiced dilemma on an earlier thread. That earlier "OP" was the one I was referring to, not to carolyn as the OP of <em>this</em> thread:)</p>
<p>funny thing, an article just appeared in the NY Times about this. Maybe they read the forum ;)</p>
<p>Anyway, here's a quote
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"It's fundamentally dishonest to say to more than one college that that's where you're going to be in the fall," said Dan Rosenfield, dean of enrollment management at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, "and it's not a victimless crime."</p>
<p>Dr. Massa said Dickinson did not formally forbid students from committing to more than one college, although he said "common sense and fairness" suggested that it was inappropriate. He added that next year the college would, however, officially prohibit double depositing.
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I'm breathlessly awaiting the reply from newmassdad ...</p>
<p>Hmm ... the article does make a passing reference to an "online discussion of college admissions" :)</p>
<p>Carolyn is mentioned in the article--By Name!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Go, Carolyn!!!!</p>
<p>Yes, it has been obvious over the past few months that the NYTimes reads this discussion board - that's one way to get stories. I know some NYTimes reporters also read the Amazon.com discussion boards.</p>
<p>Note to the NY Times writers: please stop beginning so many sentences with coordinating conjunctions (and, but, or . . . )! I've been trying to convince my students that this is a grammatical no-no except in informal/creative writing, and you aren't helping my case. :-)</p>
<p>MWFN,
Yes. (Conjunction - the Romance prefix "con" meaning "with," combined with the root "to join," etc.) What, Writer, are you joining "with" when you begin your sentence with a conjunction? I draw this out because whatever availability of foreign language training/choices still exist in high schools, the linguistic connections apparently are not articulated today by teachers as they once were. These connections were drummed into us throughout junior high & high school, & at least by my own parents if not other people's parents. That teaching aided grammar, spelling, & vocabulary comprehension.</p>
<p>MWFN & Epiphany: It's not a problem. </p>
<p>
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That it is a solecism to begin a sentence with and is a faintly lingering SUPERSTITION. The OED gives examples ranging from the 10th to the 19th c.; the Bible is full of them.</p>
<p>Fowler's Modern English Usage, second edition, Oxford University Press 1965 (reprinted with corrections 1983)
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<p>There's also an excellent lively discussion, too long to retype here at this hour of the morning with an imminent appointment, in Theodore Bernstein's MISS THISTLEBOTTOM'S HOBGOBLINS AND OTHER PROBLEMS OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE: the Careful Writer's Guide to the Taboos, Bugbears, and Outmoded Rules of English language, a most excellent guide on usage. The discussion includes and, but, for, however, nevertheless, nor, still,*and *yet. Farrar, Straus, & Girous (1971)</p>
<p>You didn't link it, but I'll take your word for it. Rules or no rules, flow & clarity count for something when it comes to readability & "correctness." "However" & "nevertheless" are acceptable starters; they are stand-alones launching a thought. Different category than "and," "but," some other connectors. Anyway, this thread's been hijacked about 15 times, so we can continue the grammar dialogue elsewhere if anyone has a significant issue with Conjunctions At the Head of the Class.:)</p>
<p>Yes, after having read our posts, a reporter sent me a personal message asking for an interview about this issue. I did not participate, though. Did Carolyn? Anybody have an online link to the articel?</p>
<p>Stylistically, the writer depends too heavily on the use of "and" and "but" to begin sentences. Count 'em.</p>
<p>For formal grammar (scholarly writing, journalism, and formal situation), the use of a coordinating conjunction - and this does not include "however," "nevertheless," and "still" - is wrong. It is a sentence fragment. In familiar correspondence and fiction, such fragments are used for effect, not for their proper grammar.</p>
<p>I teach college writing, both fiction and ESL, so I'm familiar with the rules, even if I don't always follow them myself.</p>
<p>And... I am always entertained by the tangents threads wander off into..... :)</p>
<p>Here's the link to the NY Times article:
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/20/us/20deposit.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/20/us/20deposit.html</a></p>
<p>Carolyn's web site was specifically referenced, and Carolyn had posted an article called "Your Admissions Rights & Responsibilities" on May 1st, so its more likely that she was contacted by that route (especially since her web site URL is provided in the article)</p>
<p>MWFN, I teach fiction and have more than a million published words, fiction and non-fiction across a broad range of publications, in print. So we'll have to agree to disagree. If I have time later on, I'll expand the citations. Bernstein is very illuminating in discussing why the words belong to togther as a group and in what vein the objections to using "And" and "but" to start sentences are. He also cites Follet.</p>
<p>The old formal adjuration against split infinitives is another "unquestionable" "rule" that's on the junkpile.</p>
<p>Overuse of any stylistic tic is a different matter, as is veering towards monologophobia in the other direction.</p>
<p>I was not contacted through the thread I began here, but rather through my participation in a list serve for college admissions officers and counselors, many of whom know of my blog. After the reporter interviewed me, I directed him here, and specifically suggested he contact NewMassDad to get a dissenting opinion. :) Alan Finder, by the way, is a respected journalist who specializes in educational issues. I have found him to be extremely well-informed about college admissions.</p>
<p>Question: I was accepted to my waitlist school and accepted their offer of admission. This means that i currently have a double deposit. Is this a problem? I havent gotten around to contacting the other school yet. PM me please, since i don't frequent the parent forum too often =)</p>
<p>bver-
It would be appropriate to contact the original school ASAP and advise them that you have accepted the waitilist offer. You might possibly get your deposit back. But, more importantly, you'll be letting the school make appropriate plans for roommate matches, etc.</p>