<p>There is nothing ambiguous in the 2009-2010 Common Ap signature page. Clearly, your student is signing an agreement that they will send a deposit to only one school when the time comes. </p>
<p>You know…why do folks feel it’s ok to NOT honor an agreement just because “no live example of anyone being penalized has surfaced then or now”.</p>
<p>Sorry…but an agreement is an agreement. If you don’t wish to abide by it, don’t sign it.</p>
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<p>The standards for not being rescinded have much less variance than those for admittance. If you make straight Ds senior year you’re just as likely to be rescinded from East Carolina than from MIT.</p>
<p>It’s just an integrity issue, the way I see it. You just don’t commit to more than one school.</p>
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<p>None of the schools I applied to had this, but in that case it is acceptable to send the deposit and not enroll, because the school authorizes you to do so. In the case of an enrollment deposit, as is the case at most schools, you should only submit to one institution.</p>
<p>I think if this becomes a pretty major issue, then colleges will simply raise their deposits (by a substantial margin). Hopefully that will deter most potential double depositors.</p>
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Are you trying to be dense ? A revoked admission due to a performance failure later in the senior year, is hardly the same as a revoked admission to a student who maintained senior HS year performance.</p>
<p>“Are you trying to be dense ? A revoked admission due to a performance failure later in the senior year, is hardly the same as a revoked admission to a student who maintained senior HS year performance.”</p>
<p>Why, because a student is nothing more than his grades?</p>
<p>My point was only that colleges can rescind admission. They are not guaranteeing you a spot. They can do it based on their own perceptions, not based on objective known criteria. I’m not trying to claim they abuse this, but they have the option to.</p>
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<p>They are in fact guaranteeing you a spot, provided you hold up your end of the bargain. A college cannot rescind admission freely. Upon acceptance of admission a student promises to have a strong second semester; only upon violation of this promise through a drastic decline in performance may a student’s admission be rescinded.</p>
<p>You say the college has the option to abuse its power, but in reality this would put the college in a very tough situation. If the public knew that a college were withdrawing offers of admission at will in favor of better students who happen to come along there would be quite an uproar. Same if colleges found out about an applicant who has submitted deposits at more than one school.</p>
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<p>a waitlist only encourages more double depositing(or you can say not enrolling after depositing)</p>
<p>^ Sure, but waitlists are good for both students and schools. There is no downside! :)</p>
<p>Waitlists are not helpful to students who require FA. Many schools don’t have to offer as lucrative packages if anything at all is left.</p>
<p>“Beg another question.”</p>
<p>By saying that it’s okay to rescind admission for poor grades, you’re implying that the college is admitting the grades, not the person. The high school grades themselves are meaningless except to indicate qualities about the person. The college decided the person was good enough, but then changed their mind later. They were still the same person, same social security number, same name, probably close to the same size, race, religion, everything else, just a new GPA. The college thought when they admitted him/her, that they would be a good student, and pay a full 8 semesters tuition, now the college has doubts.</p>
<p>“They are in fact guaranteeing you a spot, provided you hold up your end of the bargain. A college cannot rescind admission freely. Upon acceptance of admission a student promises to have a strong second semester; only upon violation of this promise through a drastic decline in performance may a student’s admission be rescinded.”</p>
<p>I was not aware of this, can you find some of these statements for me? I don’t think I ever signed agreed to any such thing for Michigan. Do they define exactly what grades are necessary? If not then I suppose it is subjective isn’t it?</p>
<p>“You say the college has the option to abuse its power, but in reality this would put the college in a very tough situation. If the public knew that a college were withdrawing offers of admission at will in favor of better students who happen to come along there would be quite an uproar. Same if colleges found out about an applicant who has submitted deposits at more than one school.”</p>
<p>… Yes… These are the reasons why they’re not done…</p>
<p>“Waitlists are not helpful to students who require FA.”</p>
<p>You mean not always; they are helpful when they are helpful. We hear of cases where FA was given to a waitlistee.</p>
<p>I just don’t understand the point of having two ENROLLMENT deposits (not housing deposits) in at two schools after May 1st. I suppose if a college gives a Feb or Mar decision and tries to pressure the student to enroll based on housing priority etc. then I can understand a kid putting in a deposit. (Luckily I haven’t encountered this through my own kids’ admissions experiences.) If a better offer came later on, say on April 1st, I could understand a kid withdrawing from the first school in order to enroll at the second. In this case, the kid would still be officially enrolled at ONE school at a time. </p>
<p>It does not make sense to double deposit at two schools in order to hold two spots in order to decide later, assuming all FA has been received. </p>
<p>Summer melt does happen, but it should be because of kids bumping up to their preferred school by being admitted off the waitlist. Other kids could encounter unanticipated financial or medical or family issues and need to withdraw. </p>
<p>The problem with holding two spots (if it even could be done, since I think the GC becomes the gatekeeper in terms of sending out a final transcript) is that it messes up the kids on the waitlist. Maybe some on this board would quibble about the student- college relationship, but the fact is that a student falsely holding a spot at a school he doesn’t intend to attend messes things up for all the kids on the waitlist who would like to hear from their preferred college as early as possible regarding available spots.</p>
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<p>That used to be the case, but as of 2009 on the signature page of common application, an applicant is clearly agreeing not to do multiple deposits. I think this whole discussion is moot at this point.</p>
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<p>You’re a hoot! I wish I had the self confidence to interpret vague statements like “sending multiple deposits may result in the withdrawal of my admission offers…” </p>
<p>For most of us, “may” does not mean much, and certainly does not mean “will” and so forth. In fact, please tell me the difference between “may” and “may not”? Either word/phrase implies imprecision.</p>
<p>As I said before, feel free to mislead yourself, but try not to force your interpretation of vague things on others. You could do someone a real disservice.</p>
<p>just to clarify - not like anyone is keeping track of this, but I’m referring to double depositing before May 1. Had not ever considered doing it after the deadline - I mean a decision has to be made sometime. As far as housing purposes and orientation date selection, the May 1 deadline covers that.</p>
<p>I can’t help it if some people can’t read. Ignorance is always a bless.</p>
<p>The law or agreement will have launguage such as " it may result in a fine of up to X" or " it may result in termination of …". Yes, it does mean that it may not happen, but it’s the other party’s option in terms of what action they would take. Prior to 2009 it was ambiguous whether it was breaking the contract in doing multiple deposits. Now the agreement has made it clear applicant is agreeing in not doing so. It’s college’s option in terms of how they want to enforce the agreeement, and one option to them is to rescind their acceptance.</p>
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<p>now you shift to a legalistic position. What happened to moral obligations?</p>
<p>Legally, the situation is even worse. I don’t know of many places that allow minors to enter into contracts. Most college applicants are not yet 18. </p>
<p>you might also think about the fact that when one submits a common application, the contractual relationship between the applicant and any individual university is anything but clear. It is clear that by submitting a common application, I am not entering into a contract with any individual university. </p>
<p>So no, it is not “the college’s option”.</p>
<p>There are no contracts or legalities involved in a student’s college application process. It’s an honor system, with possible consequences.</p>
<p>newsmassdad-Isn’t the main point that the school has total discretion in this matter and could really ruin the college plans of a kid who has worked hard for years to gain admission? All legal wrangling aside, if a school decided to rescind due to double depositing, that would pretty much be the end of the game for the student. Seems like a gamble not worth taking to me.</p>