<p>That video reflects what my preconceived notions were – that while drunk your judgement is impaired a lot more than while high, and that while high you tend to be more paranoid and cautious. I’ve heard things from other people that corroborate this. But I’ve also heard that getting high/drunk tends to be an experience unique to the individual and is hard to generalize for all people. I myself have never consumed alcohol or used illicit substances at all.</p>
<p>Exactly. There is not usually a loss of impulse control when high. You’re also a lot more cautious than you usually are. You do have slower reaction times than when sober, but not slower than when drunk.</p>
<p>Drunk people are more implusive and much less cautious than when sober. I heard stories of a guy who insisted on driving home just a little buzzed, and a friend who was driving behind him saw him start swerving from side to side trying to scare the deer on the side of the road.
For those of you who don’t know, deer do always not move when you drive at them, and hitting a deer is equivalent to hitting a brick wall with your car.</p>
<p>A high person is more likely to be so freaked out that someone will figure out they’re high that they’re driving more carefully than the day they took their driving test.</p>
<p>Of course everyone is different though. Some people might be better at driving drunk than high, but it’s not something you want to test to find out.</p>
<p>You should be able to drive as long as you can pass a field sobriety test. You can very easily pass one stoned. Drunk, not so much.
I’ve driven with stoned drivers plenty of times and never came close to an accident. However, two of my friends totaled cars driving drunk. Alcohol impairs drivers more than weed. Driving stoned from weed is not really a public safety concern. Driving drunk is a serious concern, and DUI laws are kind of a joke. There have been a couple of studies on the topic and they all conclude that stoned drivers are not worse drivers, and actually driver slower. additionally, unlike drunk drivers, they realize they are somewhat impaired, even though their driving performance is the same than if they were not stoned. Essentially, driving stoned IS safer than driving drunk and does not really negatively affect a driver.
<a href=“http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4131.html[/url]”>http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4131.html</a>
[Stoned</a> Drivers vs. Drunk Drivers - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine](<a href=“http://reason.com/blog/2010/06/04/stoned-drivers-vs-drunk-driver]Stoned”>Stoned Drivers vs. Drunk Drivers)
[Study</a> Finds Little Difference for Drivers Who’ve Smoked Marijuana - KickingTires](<a href=“http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/06/study-finds-little-difference-for-drivers-whove-smoked-marijuana.html]Study”>http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/06/study-finds-little-difference-for-drivers-whove-smoked-marijuana.html)
<a href=“http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving7.shtml[/url]”>http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving7.shtml</a></p>
<p>Essentially, driving stoned IS safer than driving drunk and does not really negatively affect a driver. ~ Tiff90</p>
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<p>Tell that to the husband and two children who lost their mother last week, killed by a driver stoned on weed.</p>
<p>[Jogging</a> mom dies day after SUV struck her - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review](<a href=“http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_688197.html?_s_icmp=networkbar]Jogging”>http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_688197.html?_s_icmp=networkbar)</p>
<p>I’ve driven with stoned drivers plenty of times and never came close to an accident. ~ tiff90</p>
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<p>I’ve driven with people who were drunk plenty of times and never came close to an accident either, so what is your point?</p>
<p>Any drug can impair judgment and reaction, you should stop pouting about how you can’t smoke pot as much as you’d like and start maturing. It’s people with attitudes like yours who kill people.</p>
<p>Grow up.</p>
<p>P.S. Marijuana blocks the nervous systems messages from getting to the brain which alters a person perception of time and distance - and therefore affects coordination, reaction times and reflexes. </p>
<p>It also affects a person concentration, which is essential when driving.</p>
<p>@BigEastBeast</p>
<p>That article only mentions a “controlled substance.” Weed is hardly the only controlled substance. Unless I am missing evidence that it was weed somewhere? I don’t think tiff90 is condoning driving while under the influence of any and all drugs.</p>
<p>^^^^ </p>
<p>[Mount</a> Lebanon Woman Struck, Killed By SUV To Be Remembered At Candlelight Vigil - kdka.com](<a href=“http://kdka.com/local/Lisa.Styles.vigil.2.1780388.html]Mount”>http://kdka.com/local/Lisa.Styles.vigil.2.1780388.html)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/24069949/detail.html[/url]”>http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/24069949/detail.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/24155877/detail.html[/url]”>http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/24155877/detail.html</a></p>
<p>This happened a few blocks from my house. If it wasn’t for the mother (who died) the driver also would have killed to young children.</p>
<p>And when someone states that driving while one marijuana is safe - that is condoning it in my book.</p>
<p>god forbid you actually had any type of evidence to back up your claims, we know how you like to operate. good thing I have some:</p>
<p>“In the latter study, even drivers with low levels of alcohol present in their blood (below 0.05%) experienced a greater elevated risk as compared to drivers who tested positive for high concentrations of cannabis (above 5ng/ml)”</p>
<p>“A 2005 review of auto accident fatality data from France showed similar results, finding that drivers who tested positive for any amount of alcohol had a four times greater risk of having a fatal accident than did drivers who tested positive for marijuana in their blood”
- Laumon et al. 2005. Cannabis intoxication and fatal road crashes in France: a population base case-control study. British Medical Journal 331: 1371-1377.</p>
<p>I’m don’t advocate driving under the influence at all. If you can’t pass a sobriety test, DUI, period. but there’s no reason that weed shouldn’t be handled in the same way alcohol is at least. it’s been PROVEN safer.</p>
<p>too bad people with attitudes like yours are the reason we operate with our heads in the sand. despite any evidence to the contrary, you just know it’s wrong huh? it’s easy for them to drill these ideas into your head during your weekly brainwashing sessions sunday</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^^^^^^</p>
<p>Just because marijuana may be safer than alcohol, doesn’t make it safe. You can’t argue with the science that marijuana impairs several important motor skills needed to drive safe. Primarily reflexes, distance/time judgment and concentration.</p>
<p>@BigEastBeast
Ok, since you live near there I will take your word for it until it is proven otherwise (the reports only mention “suspicions” and incomplete toxicology tests)</p>
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My statement was in reference to the ambiguity of the article; I was suggesting that perhaps tiff90 thinks driving while under the influence of marijuana is safe, but not other substances.</p>
<p>^^^^^</p>
<p>It’s been reported that the cops interviewed people who smoked with him prior to the accident.</p>
<p>The toxicology report most likely won’t be released till his hearing on the 2nd, as will the rest of the details.</p>
<p>If someone wants to argue that alcohol is MORE dangerous to drive on than marijuana - sure, I’d probably argee with them. But that in no way makes it safe to drive on marijuana. Safer and SAFE are two separate things.</p>
<p>Unless I’m missing something, everything has said “suspected” of smoking weed. </p>
<p>This could be because of the weed OR it could be because he’s one of the millions who blow stop signs every single day. Even the first lady ran a stop sign and killed someone when she was young. Doubt there was weed in her system. </p>
<p>Hey look here’s another death from running a stop sign:
[Two</a> Motorcyclists Die In Accident - AM 590 - FM 96.5 | WKZO](<a href=“http://www.wkzo.com/news/articles/2010/jul/09/two-motorcyclists-die-accident/]Two”>http://www.wkzo.com/news/articles/2010/jul/09/two-motorcyclists-die-accident/)</p>
<p>And another:
[Mom</a> Faces Prison Time For Fatal Car Crash : News : WPBN TV 7&4](<a href=“http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=480658]Mom”>http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=480658)</p>
<p>Look, I DON’T think it’s right to drive under the influence of anything. I lost a good friend when I was young because he was hit by a drunk driver in broad daylight. I am always the DD because I don’t drink nor do drugs and there is a lock box for keys at all of my friends’ houses for ANYONE who does ANYTHING. But to say that weed is the cause of this (which it may or may not be) and insinuate that weed is the only reason that this happened is bogus. People run stop signs and kill people every day. 99% of these cases are without weed (actually, many of them involve alcohol, but rarely weed). If you’re REALLY concerned about stopping accidents like this, you should try to ban ALCOHOL, not weed. Alcohol is PROVEN to be MUCH more dangerous than weed. </p>
<p>That’s all.</p>
<p>Unless I’m missing something, everything has said “suspected” of smoking weed. ~ romanigyspeys</p>
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<p>Of course it does, because he hasn’t been charged yet as his hearing is the 2nd. The kids parents lawyered up. However, the fact that they are charging him with two counts of DUI shows what the toxicology report will say, and what has been revealed through interviews.</p>
<p>@romani</p>
<p>That’s just how it works though… if someone who has driven without any serious event before suddenly has a tragic accident, while under the influence of a substance it will be assumed that the accident was the result of the substance more than the person himself…unless it can be proven that he ALWAYS drove while under the influence.</p>
<p>^^^^^</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter what the reasons are - if a person is driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol they should be held accountable. Accident or not.</p>
<p>And when you kill a mother of two while driving impaired, your consequences will be compounded.</p>
<p>Easy way to avoid it, don’t drive impaired.</p>
<p>Where did I imply anti-accountability? The word “accident” here is largely a euphamism for “catastrophic collision between motor vehicle and pedestrian due to negligent operation of said motor vehicle.”</p>
<p>BeB-
1 accident means driving stoned is more dangerous than driving drunk?
My point had to do with DCH saying he was almost in an accident with someone driving stoned. Feel free to read the previous posts so you get an understanding of where my comments are directed towards. Sorry, I thought that line was fairly clear in addressing a previous statement not made by you.
I assumed people read all posts in order to understand what post was addressing specific members. Sorry that I assumed you read the previous posts instead just reading mine, finding something to rant about all the while not reading supporting evidence. If you actually read the links you wouldn’t have made such a snarky post.</p>
<p>My entire point is that driving drunk is more dangerous than driving stoned. I provided several links that cite studies that have that conclusion. Feel free to read over them or to provide the same number of studies that conclude driving stoned is more dangerous than driving drunk. I must not have made myself clear, even though the links summarize my point quite well. You must not have had the chance to look them over. They are very interesting and counter your assumptions. Sorry that you didn’t get a chance to look them over, I know it’s quite a hardship to open new webpages and read articles when they provide evidence contrary to your assumptions.</p>
<p>I heard about the Mt Lebo thing the day it happened. I don’t need to read about it again. The guy ran a stop sign. Plenty of people do that while sober. People, however, do not swerve uncontrollably while sober. I’m not really going to talk about it. I could post a at least 100 stories of innocent people being killed by drunk drivers, but I don’t think providing a sad story is really relevant or in any way supports an argument. </p>
<p>Just bc he fails a DT for weed does not mean he was high when the accident occurred. That’s a huge assumption to make.</p>
<p>People who condone drunk driving or decide to get in a car with a drunk driver make me MADD. I guess since you drive with drunk drivers you don’t really believe in preventing tragedies like this one, since your argument is one person may have driven high and killed an innocent civilian, hence driving stoned is worse than driving drunk, so people should avoid it altogether to save innocent lives. It’s not fair to play the sympathy card when you condone drunk driving by driving with drunk drivers…</p>
<p>I don’t think BigEastBeast ever directly asserted that driving drunk was not dangerous, or less dangerous than driving stoned.</p>
<p>^ No, but to say that weed should be banned because of things like this and then not argue that alcohol should be banned as well is counter-productive. Since alcohol is proven to cause more accidents, why should it remain legal?</p>
<p>It’s not counter-productive; it’s just not fair.</p>
<p>EDIT: I also don’t see anywhere where BigEastBeast argued that weed should remain illegal alltogether.</p>