@3kids2dogs some of my sons dual enrollment classes were taught at his home HS by the regular HS teacher. They show up the same on his community college transcript and transferred with no problem.
I’m talking in general, not limiting to HYPMS. but also not professing knowledge of all 1800 private US colleges. Yes, there are exceptions, which is why I include qualifiers. Certainly, IME, the more selective, the more stingy they are in granting credit from any source.
YMMV.
My kid’s private college was very willing to take the dual credit course…but they would not allow that course to be applied to her major graduation requirement so…she had to take it again. Oh…and she had an A in the course dual enrollment.
My second kid had college credits from an auditioned summer music program that could only be used at the college affiliated with that summer program. BUT they really didn’t apply to anything at all…so they were just extra college credits he had.
Not all Dual Enrollment courses are equal and you must carefully select them based on individual circumstances. I can speak from experience in Florida but the idea is the same. With that said, I’d be very careful about Dual Enrollment courses at Community College as I have been told that college admissions are not impressed by these credits.
Let us take English as an example. At my D20 school, you can take AP English or Dual Enrollment English. For Dual Enrollment, you can select either a Community College or the University of Florida. Most would say that the rankings of the courses would have the Community College last and some might even have AP English above English at the University of Florida.
MY D20 took the UF course and learned what a college course would be like. There were 500 students in the class with the vast majority actual college students and not dual enrollment students. The experience for her was invaluable and will undoubtedly ease her fears about college will be like.
She is a great student but is not aiming for Top 20 schools. If she was I think that I would have still had her take the UF course but others might say that AP’s are the safer route. She is likely going to UF so these credits will make life a lot easier for her college career.
@3kids2dogs - This is a four credit University of Illinois math class that is being offered as a DE course at your kid’s high school. Your kid will have a real, true U of IL academic transcript reflecting that course under it’s normal U of IL course number and recording the grade. If your kid wanted to commute to campus and just take that one class, the final transcript would be the same. Whether or not any given college or university decides to accept those credits for transfer will be up to them. But for the rest of your kid’s life, this U of IL transcript will be required whenever all transcripts are asked for.
This - like everything else - will vary. But MV can be helpful if going into a STEM field whether credit is given or not. I spoke to an AO at a top 50 LAC recently - she said DE courses taught at the HS won’t count. DS2 takes DE classes on campus of a local top 50 university with college students - she said they may transfer. Another top 50 private university we visited has a cap on number of DE credits, and they will only accept classes that are not required for HS graduation. DS1 is at a top 25 private university - they took AP for a few gen ed requirements and for placement. They are in a box on his college transcript, but don’t count for much.
I don’t understand how APs are considered safer than DEs. You have to get the score on the AP test to get credit. With DEs, you just need to check the college’s website to see if they give transfer credit for that particular class.
For example, Arizona is my S20’s top choice. He took AP Lang and got a 3 on the exam. Arizona requires a 4 to give credit for Eng 101 or whatever it is. But he’s taking DE English this year, and they give credit for Eng 101 for the class he’s taking.
I mentioned this on the first page. In your son’s case, DE is “safer” if he iz an AZ resident taking CC courses at an AZ CC, with the goal of attending Arizona (or ASU). But if his goal is to attend UCLA (OOS public) or USC (private) then AP would be “safer” in terms of ability to get credit. There is no blanket answer; it really depends on the individual situation
Here is Boston University’s dual enrollment info: High School/Dual Enrollment
The course must be open to enrollment by, and graded in direct competition with, regularly matriculated undergraduates at that institution.
In order to seek credit for college-level work completed prior to matriculation (pre-college credit) into an undergraduate program, students must:
Request that the external college or university send an official college or university transcript and course syllabus to the University Registrar for transfer credit evaluation.
The high school sponsoring the dual enrollment must certify that the course(s) under consideration for transfer credit did not fulfill high school degree requirements.
This is from NYU
College Courses Taken While in High School
Credit may be awarded if:
Received a grade of “B” or better
NYU offers corresponding courses
In most cases, courses were taken at a college/university, with college/university students, and taught by college/university faculty.
Courses were not used to satisfy high school graduation requirements
For these schools and some other schoosl a high school offering a dual enrollment class to just high school students will not give college credit because they only give credit to courses offered to all college students and taken primarily by college students. They also don’t give credit for classes that are needed to satisfy high school graduation requirements. Basically you do need to look at colleges individually.
My daughter did have all of her dual enrollment (61 credits I think) accepted by her private school but some are free electives that honestly don’t have any use. Many websites will give you an idea on what classes will transfer but it isn’t until after matriculation that they tell you for sure. A tip is to save all syllabi since they can ask for them especially if it is a class from a college that has never been evaluated before.
My state favors DE, and if DE is offered, AP is not. You want your kids to appropriately challenge themselves. If they get college credit, great! If they don’t, well the experience was hardly a waste. My kids went to private colleges, in the same state where they got the DEs, so that may be the difference, but they went in with 29 and 44 credits. Not all “counted.” For instance, they went in with 12 and 16 AP/DE hours of lab sciences. For one, who majored in nursing, none counted as the major requirements were more specific for nursing. For the other, 4 were needed for gen ed and the rest were extra. Your kids should take what they want to explore or already love. If you can afford the fees without hardship, pay f do the credits and hope for the best.
Not necessarily - my kids went to high school in NJ and received credits at Missouri State University, West VA University, York College and Tiffin University
@3kids2dogs that is the same, the transcript literally comes from the community college or what have you
@Johnny523 I agree, I will say that my girls’ high school had many AP classes that were ALSO dual enrollment. So they didn’t take the AP test necessarily. Mostly these classes transferred as basic core classes (like English or language or a history elective) which served its purpose. My one daughter plays college lacrosse so was happy to have a smaller schedule during the travel season by taking a core course early and my nursing student is using her credits to have her difficult semesters be smaller.
At our HS if you pay the $300 you get college credit, if you don’t you just get high school credit. Either way the course appears on the high school transcript and is weighted like an AP course when they figure out the ranking. My kid took a linear algebra course only for high school credit, but got placed into an appropriate level math class in college. I don’t think he got college credit, but since the course sequencing made it difficult to graduate early, it hardly mattered. If a college puts their name on the course (and it’s the same at our high school - the credits are from Syracuse), I think you can assume that the midterms and finals are the same as what you would get at the university. It’s possible that it will meet more often, or that they will structure the course slightly differently, but in the end the students should know the same material.
Most public schools will take the credit, and probably quite a few non-elite private schools will too. Check with your HS, but it should come on a transcript just like a class taken on campus. If any of the schools she’s applying to will accept the credit, just pay for it, even if they’re her safety schools. It can never hurt (unless she transfers the class with a bad grade, but that probably won’t happen, and all my DE classes would let you drop REALLY far into the semester).
You might not need the credit, but you also might – I never thought I’d end up using my DE credit for French because I also took the AP, but the it knocked out my humanities requirement at my public flagship, which was a nice surprise. Some colleges I applied to wouldn’t have given me any credit for it, but some would, and in my case I’m glad I took the chance.
Either way, definitely take the MVC class instead of AP Stat – they’re both helpful, but calculus is more rigorous & it’ll help her in the future.
Note that even if the college course taken while in high school is not accepted for credit by the college the student later matriculates to, it can affect the following:
A. If the student applies to graduate or professional school, or to transfer to another college, the college course taken while in high school and its grade need to be reported and transcript sent when required.
B. If the student transfers to another college, that college may accept for credit the college course taken while in high school.
Our public HS offer dual enrollment with the local community college. It is usually an honor or AP class at the HS and it’s just a matter of registration and paying for the fee. No additional coursework or test. I’ve always registered and pay because If he does end up going there or a local school that accepts those credit, it cuts down the required courses. If the $300 is is not a burden, I would pay up front with a possible bigger saving down the road. If I add up all the credits that he has when he graduates, it equates to about an associate degree.