<p>US News Article:
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More High School Kids Take College Classes
Many think that this "dual enrollment" will help them get into a selective college
By Eddy Ram</p>
<p>what if you take 300 and 400-level college classes at a top 30 university (ie not community college)</p>
<p>I'm actually planning to do dual enrollment full time next year (senior year). Hopefully I can graduate with an AA degree, and many universities would have to take my 2 years.</p>
<p>It'll definitely help with my enrollment.</p>
<p>My daughter's been taking CUNY classes since freshman year. They're not dual enrollment and they only show up on her CUNY transcript, not the high school one. She chose to take the classes she did because her IB/Regents requirements allowed absolutely no room to explore anything else. She has a 3.8 in those classes and takes them over the summer and in the evenings, so she's completely involved in her regular high school and takes a full schedule of 7 classes per semester right in school. For her, the CUNY classes are a supplement and not a substitution.</p>
<p>Being an upcoming high school senior who is currently enrolled in his 4th dual credit class, I must say these classes are beneficial academically. I would not recommend taking "core" classes like English, Biology, etc; but I would say dual credit is perfect if you've exhausted your school's academic resources, or if you are interested in subjects but don't want to waste a full high-school year taking "fluff" classes (sociology, psychology..)</p>
<p>And I agree with zoose: These courses should not be a substitution for a high-school based curriculum. Impress admission counselors and take these courses on your own time.</p>
<p>It's not easy walking in a classroom knowing you're the youngest person in the room, so props to anyone who dual enrolls!</p>
<p>I'm doing it, too, part-time. However, my counselor says it's better to take the AP classes instead of the college-equilvalent classes. She says it's because colleges know the AP curriculum is rigorous, whereas different college classes' curriculum may vary. </p>
<p>But I agree with Paul09. Only take it if you've exhausted the AP/toughest classes at your school.</p>
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Hopefully I can graduate with an AA degree, and many universities would have to take my 2 years.
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<p>That's not the reason to do dual enrollment. In many cases NONE of your credits will transfer. </p>
<p>My son will be a full-time dual enrollment student at our state flagship university this fall for "eleventh grade." He enjoys the academic challenge and meeting a diverse group of classmates.</p>
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<p>I wonder why he chose Penn State.</p>
<p>why not just wait...what's the rush?</p>
<p>You could select your university partly on the basis of whether or not it would allow you to transfer your dual enrollment credits.</p>
<p>My quote in this article makes it sound as if I'm against Dual Enrollment programs, but that isn't true at all. I did say that admission officials may realize that some community college classes are not as rigorous as the most demanding high school classes. However, I also said, " ... but any effort to take courses at the college level is well-regarded, even if the Dual Enrollment college itself is not." That latter part was not included in the U.S. News story.</p>
<p>Sure, there are some down sides to Dual Enrollment. These include scheduling problems (e.g., it may be hard to juggle D.E. classes off campus along with favorite EC's or classes at school) and also the likelihood that credits earned via D.E. will not be recognized by many colleges, as opposed to AP or IB classes that *are<a href="assuming%20that%20the%20exam%20scores%20pass%20muster">/i</a>. </p>
<p>Still, there are lots of good reasons for opting for D.E., so I want the record to show that I'm not "growing concerned" about this "trend."</p>
<p>I'd say Dual Enrollment is an indicator of a strong student and not the efficient cause of a strong student. </p>
<p>Plus, I also think that my high school's AP curriculum was harder than the medley of non-honors courses I've taken at non-prestigious colleges; I'm sure admissions officers recognize that many HS's have very rigorous AP classes (not just creampuff AP classes that are basically just a gateway to let students take a shot at the AP tests).</p>
<p>To all the people that are taking college courses prior to graduating from high school, many schools will not take transfer them, even if you're not taking them to fulfill high school requirements. like some people that posted above, I will have over 80 college credits when I graduate high school and will have my associates, but many colleges outside the state will not accept the credits because they were earned prior to me earning my high school diploma.
i'm taking my classes at a State U, so other state schools in Missouri (my state) have said they will transfer every credit hour, but private schools (Wash U, STL) or others have said that they will not. </p>
<p>just look into schools that you're interested in, as they all have different policies.</p>
<p>well I mean even if the credits don't transfer, when you take a similar course again in college it'll be much easier, and you'll probably gain more insight into the subject (especially math and phys)</p>
<p>I know that at my school, we only offer two APs and most of our high-level honors are dual enrollments with the local community college (taken at the high school). So I will have only taken one AP upon graduating, but quite a few dual credit.</p>
<p>I am taking a class at Boise State University. Not a top tier university but still i think it is a cool oportunity.
I have the option of having it count towards my high school GPA or just take it and receive pass/fail</p>
<p>My DE classes like to screw up my GPA since we don't have weighted grades and U of Minnesota grades count twice the weight of what they are. Ex. An A- will become 2 A-s on my high school transcript. </p>
<p>For me it's worth it though. I get to graduate with around 50 credits from AP/DE classes.</p>
<p>i'm a junior right now and have already taken about 50 college credits on top of like 5 AP courses, and personally, I believe the dual enrollment classes are wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than the AP equivalents.
in high school i felt like my teachers wasted too much time on trying to teach us how to pass those stupid AP tests while in college the professors are more concerned about teaching you the logic of the subject. On top of that, in a college course you learn in one semester what you will learn in one whole of high school.</p>
<p>I took my first duel enrollment class at 14 as a freshman and have taken 5 in all, all As. I still don't find the city college challenging at all, but it has been nice to take some subjects that aren't offered in hs. One of the best teachers I have ever had was my Ethics 101 professor and am so glad to have taken that class. I feel like duel enrollment is worth it if you're truly interested beyond college admissions. I don't think it's going to help me very much, if at all, in terms of admissions, but for knowledge it's great.</p>
<p>This article from Jobs for the Future: Jobs</a> for the Future gives some info from "the other side" STATES ARE EXPANDING DUAL ENROLLMENT POLICIES TO REACH UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS, INCREASE COLLEGE SUCCESS
<a href="http://www.jff.org/Documents/OnRamp050108.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.jff.org/Documents/OnRamp050108.pdf</a> - On Ramp to College, A State Policymaker’s Guide to Dual Enrollment</p>
<p>I agree, most of our local dual enrollment programs are more technical/vocational in nature, but it doesn't hurt someone thinking of going into medicine to know some EMT stuff or someone thinking about engineering to have some idea of the the more technical aspects of water quality, hvac, aerospace technology, electronics technology, or as some of the newer programs emerge - new energy technologies (solar, wind, etc.) even if you don't get "credit" for the classes. Our regular university, next to the cc will allow hs students to take a variety of courses up to the 200 level. S took an anthro class that way and found it much more interesting than anything his hs had to offer. We did have to pay out of pocket for the course, but I think things have change starting this fall where a hs student will not have to pay for certain classes. Dual enrollment has both a good and not so good side and you have to look at how it will work with every student individually.</p>