<p>i love the student body and atmosphere at duke but i want to go into business (specifically marketing). i am thinking of majoring in econ and psych at duke and interning on the side. is there a good amount of business-oriented/pre-business students at duke? or should i not bother? i doubt many business recruiters come to duke. what do you guys think?</p>
<p>There is tons of recruiting at Duke. Corporate recruiters do not just stick to schools with undergrad business - otherwise they'd miss out on 4/5 of HYPSM and many other elites. You might want to look into Duke's sociology department. They offer a lot of business-related courses as well as a Markets and Management certificate (it's like a minor, but inter-disciplinary).</p>
<p>Duke has tons of business recruiters, as many as other top schools. Its a joke to think that companies only recruit at schools with specifically designated business schools - Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Pton, Duke, Brown etc. don't have business schools, but there's no way companies won't be recruiting students from top schools like those. I think the only top schools that have business schools that I've heard about are MIT, NYU, Penn, and CMU.</p>
<p>Economics is the most popular major at Duke, and many students go into finance and other corporate careers. Duke feeds into lots of top business schools as well (Duke students are among the 10 highest undergrads for students entering top 5 business schools, which includes Wharton, Northwestern's Kellog, and not sure about the rest - I'm not sure how much that matters, just pointing it out). </p>
<p>There's only a certificate program at Duke for Marketing though; I think most business oriented people at Duke do things that are more quantitatively based like finance. I guess a fair share of Sociology/Psych majors would go into marketing. I think the certificate program is very common with Econ majors.</p>
<p>(I got some of this info from the Days on Campus at Duke during a pre-business session, since many kids do business and were wondering exactly that)</p>
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I think the only top schools that have business schools that I've heard about are MIT, NYU, Penn, and CMU.
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<p>The top publics, as well as Georgetown, all have ug business. Cornell also has a new, very focused, undergrad business program. </p>
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There's only a certificate program at Duke for Marketing though
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<p>The certificate program is not for marketing. It is "Markets and Management" and covers a broad array of business-related courses.</p>
<p>yeah, its called "Markets and Management" but it works out as coursework in Marketing and Sociology (no need to get too specific with the OP). Edit:Yeah, I don't know much about state schools and don't really consider them top schools...besides like UNC Berkeley Michigan and UVA, even though I don't know much about the latter three.</p>
<p>I think the cert. program isn't really meant for people who are going into finance or anything; most finance people would take like finance courses and stuff</p>
<p>Have you actually looked at the MMS curriculum? :confused: There are only three marketing courses offered total. That's definitely not equal to a "certificate in marketing," which is what she could have interpreted your statement as. Just making sure she knows exactly what Duke offers.</p>
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I think the cert. program isn't really meant for people who are going into finance or anything; most finance people would take like finance courses and stuff
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<p>Like MMS 80 - "Managerial Finance?" Or MMS 182 - "Strategic Financial Management?" Yup, definitely seems totally wrong for a finance person. The certificate program is for people interested in business period. You can customize it to focus on finance, management, etc.</p>
<p>Sorry if I sound ****y, but I've poured over this stuff during down time at work (gotta find websites that aren't blocked by insane company filters - I can't even check email) and from statements like that it's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about, which isn't helpful to the OP or anyone else interested in pre-business at Duke. </p>
<p>chica - Here's the link to the program's website. <a href="http://www.markets.duke.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://www.markets.duke.edu/</a></p>
<p>EDIT: thoughtprocess - Yes, when I said "top publics" I obviously meant state schools in general. Think whatever you want, but Haas (Cal), McIntire (UVA), and Ross (Mich) are some of the best undergrad biz programs around.</p>
<p>Students only interested in finance would take those finance courses, but they probably wouldn't take the rest of the courses required for a cert. After all, 7 is pretty much, when there aren't that many courses geared towards finance. The cert is more for people going into administration/marketing and stuff. </p>
<p>And Sociology classes, though not designated specifically as Marketing, work out as having similar content.</p>
<p>banana - yeah I agreed with that. I said i haven't really heard of any good b-schools besides those.</p>
<p>Uh, there are five finance courses in the overall MMS curriculum. More than there are towards marketing. And I don't know who told you sociology classes work out to something similar to marketing. If anything the sociology deparment offers a disguised management degree much like the econ department offers a disguised finance degree.</p>
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The cert is more for people going into administration/marketing and stuff.
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<p>I agree that it's geared towards offering a broad business curriculum, but once again, saying it's "not for people in finance" is silly.</p>
<p>Well, listen. At the pre-business session, I asked what people could do who were interested in marketing. The Dean said "M and M" cert would fill those, and said sociology courses work out as marketing courses in content.</p>
<p>When I asked about finance via email, they said most students who are interested in solely finance take quantitative courses. They don't do the cert.</p>
<p>So yeah, the same Duke business pitch I was given, I passed on.</p>
<p>Ugh, the pre-business dean...nice lady, but that info session was kinda...yeah.</p>
<p>I can see some of the sociology courses being good for someone into marketing but I still think they're stretching a bit. If someone is absolutely sure they want to go into marketing straight out of college they'd probably be better served by an undergrad biz degree. </p>
<p>Then again, I'm a big advocate of liberal arts (econ, psych, soc) + MBA so I won't contradict my usual mantra anymore. Come to Duke superchica, you'll like it. :)</p>
<p>yeah...come to Duke, or atleast don't not come because you think its bad for kids going into marketing. basically, me and banana agree Duke is great for business. I think we disagree on everything else.</p>
<p>I just checked out Duke's course offerings for myself rather than listen to what the pre-business department pitched me. :p It also helps to have a dad who's a b-school prof and can explain all this stuff to you, LOL.</p>
<p>Anyway superchica, just go to that link I gave ya (<a href="http://markets.duke.edu%5B/url%5D">http://markets.duke.edu</a>) and draw your own conclusions. ;) I think an econ+soc combo would be better for you than econ+psych if you want to go into marketing, though econ+psych+MMS would work just as well (if you can pull it off!)</p>
<p>thanks so much for the input, it really really helped! i'm a little confused though, because some people say that if you simply major in econ in undergraduate school you can still get good marketing/finance jobs if you interned during school. does that mean taking classes in marketing doesnt matter?? i feel like people are telling me i can just go to a liberal arts school, major in econ, and get out of school and find a good marketing job w/o studyig marketing in school.</p>
<p>I think you should definitely take a least a few marketing-type classes. Hunt through the liberal arts curriculum wherever you go; you'll find something, most likely in the psych or sociology departments.</p>
<p>Still, those people did have a point. Landing a great marketing internship will do wonders for your job prospects and can really help you get your foot in the door. Networking is crucial in the business world, and the sooner you start, the better. But competition for those internships is intense, and a few marketing-type courses can only help. Better to have all your bases covered. :)</p>
<p>Being the only person in this thread to seemingly have particpated in actual Duke on-campus recruiting, I'll throw in what actual financial and marketing firms have told us. But to first answer the OP, yes, LOTS of business recruiters come to campus, and there's LOTS of networking events... and even freshmen can attend.</p>
<p>Duke is impressive as hell, and they don't care that we don't have an u-grad business program, because our liberal arts program is impressive as anything. They know we're bright. They know we can learn quickly and work in fast paced environments (especially if you have a good GPA). THAT'S the person they want to hire. The major path that you're speculating is only good for marketing is what a friend of mine chose, and now she's an analyst for Citibank.... in i-banking, not marketing. Show that you want business: get internships, get out there and network, be well rounded, take math and econ. </p>
<p>MMS is a great certificate program-- I have friends doing it who want to go into marketing, and i-banking, and consulting, and hedge funds and things that are so different that it's not really fair to say that MMS is only good for one type of future career. They're all working in finance this summer, and their bosses thought MMS sounded cool.</p>
<p>But regardless of your major (you can be successful as Econ or Soc... personally I'd do psych as a second major or a minor, PPS is really popular with pre-business) be well rounded: take different courses in different disciplines that can help you out. THAT'S what's going to make the difference when you're looking for a job. There are some upper level psych courses that are 100% geared toward marketing and sound amazing (and are even taught in Fuqua) but you need to take at least intro to psych to get them. Look at the course listings (in the book-- you'll get it when you move in, it's better reference than ACES)-- but look to the high level courses, because to focus on ANYTHING you need to cover all the bases pre-req wise.</p>
<p>Superchica:</p>
<p>See the answer to question #9.</p>