<p>In fact, MMS is even not necessary.</p>
<p>You could check out the Brody rankings for colleges, business and law schools:</p>
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<p>Agreed; if i-banking is your goal, the most relevant courses will be in the econ department anyways. MMS was designed for people with less traditional pre-business majors, as a way to make their degree more marketable. Of course that doesn't stop a whole bunch of econ majors from enrolling in the program anyways.</p>
<p>"Stern grads are recruited more"</p>
<p>TRUE
Stern is not NYU, it is an elite school inside NYU. It is recruited by nummerous companies and very well known for its presence in the i-banking industry(more than other ivies even Harvard) (only behind Wharton). Stern is a business school and I am sure it is recruited more heavily than Duke. Not all people that go to Duke want to do business and enter i-banking. At Stern 97% want to go into consulting or banking when they get out.</p>
<p>Stern may be elite compared to NYU, but FWIW, I was at the top of the Stern applicant pool (as evidenced by being a Stern Scholar) but certainly not at the top of Duke's. To put it bluntly, Stern was a safety for me, while Duke was somewhere between a match and a reach. </p>
<p>Just because it's a business school doesn't give it an advantage over Duke in i-banking and consulting. All the major firms recruit at both. No one will be at a disadvantage by choosing one over the other.</p>
<p>Actually, I can't imagine a business school would have any advantage in ibanking. Management, yes, definitely; marketing, no question. But finance? Really?</p>
<p>thats wat im tryin to decide right now.....</p>
<p>I should clarify. All other things being equal, a business school would have an advantage in management and marketing. All other things being equal, I can't imagine they'd have an advantage in finance.</p>
<p>All other things, of course, are never equal.</p>
<p>Stern and Finance go together, unseperable. Don't think of yourself as top of the applicant pool if you got into Scholars, the dominant factor for scholars is SATs. Don't be mistaken there will be many people that are brighter than you, they just didn't have the SAT. Stern thrives in Finance, hence the big presence in the industry.</p>
<p>Well then I can consider myself near the top of the applicant pool because it was a safety. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>lol seems like some tension.... if stern is great wit finance, do u think duke is not great wit finance legionaire?</p>
<p>I'll save you some trouble - if legionaire thinks Duke is not excellent at pumping kids into the i-banking industry, s/he doesn't know what he's talking about. :p </p>
<p>Of course his/her claim that Stern has a stronger presence in i-banking than Harvard is also cause for pause, so to speak.</p>
<p>I plan to major in Electrical Engineering but want to do an Econ minor and the MMS program. Is this good for i-banking?</p>
<p>Financial firms like engineers (and physics/math majors, for that matter) because they usually have significantly stronger quantitative skills than business majors.</p>
<p>It'll take careful planning to fit an econ minor and MMS in (only two courses can count towards both) but either one will be a great boost when it's time to job-hunt. :)</p>
<p>first of all Duke does not offer Finance in the undergrad level. Nonetheless Duke is a great school with numerous opportunities. Duke may make inroad into the Finance sector, but it is not better than Stern when it comes to Business related fields. Duke being a liberal arts schools caters to students with many different interests and I am sure they do well in the fields the students enter. Stern on the other hand is a business school and Stern students for the most part thrive on Finance. About 2/3 of the school is composed of finance majors. Quite frankly, I don't quite hear Duke making advances in the Finance field. On the other hand, Stern Finance is known throughout the world for its faculty and graduates. And don't take me wrong, I'm in no way against Duke, it is a great school. And if you would like a more well rounded education, I would pick Duke. But if you are sure of entering i-banking or business field, I believe Stern will be a better stepping stone as it molds you for your future career. It gives you more practical education that you will make use of in your future careers and gives you an edge of applicants as you possess knowledge of the industry and practices.</p>
<p>Legionaire, of course on an undergraduate level (which is what we're talking about here) Stern is completely a business school. That's why people choose Stern as opposed to NYU Arts & Sciences. However, as Duke lacks an undergraduate business program, students desiring to go into finance will enter an Arts & Sciences program. There is NO CHOICE. Duke is not adding a 'finance' major and it is not throwing a giant 'finance' stepping stone for its students to hop on in the same way as NYU Stern is. I know people at NYU Stern. They didn't get into Duke. They wanted to go to Duke, and ultimately wind up in finance, and it's an option they didn't have. Duke is a more well-rounded education. You can't deny that. I respect Stern immensely as it is so widely respected in both the international and NYC business scene.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, to say that if you are entering i-banking a Duke degree is in any way subpar to a Stern degree is a complete mistake. With Stern you'll definitely get a job out of in NYC finance, but it won't necessarily (and almost definitely won't be) be THE best job. For the top jobs in i-banking and finance they won't interview Stern kids, because for these jobs its not a matter of how many finance classes you've taken, but how "smart" you are. My friend will be making 90G straight out of Duke, yet his position wasn't even available to any Stern grad. </p>
<p>A Stern degree doesn't give you an edge up. It just gives you a knowledge of one specialized area. A Duke economics BS degree still gives you a liberal arts education, and a well-rounded top student is still the most desired applicant from any i-banking firm. Of course, a Wharton grad is still the hottest commodity, but outside of Wharton, going to a top 10 lib arts school is still better than going to Stern. Stern vs. UMich is more of a turn up, I'd give a slight leg up to Stern based purely on location. </p>
<p>For example, I have friends at Stern. I'm also not an econ major (though I am getting MMS) -- I have a great summer internship at MS. I got that internship because of my Duke education. My friends at Stern tell me that there was no on campus recruiting for that position. So while they're getting the finance degree, they're not getting all the fringe benefits of a Duke degree. I'm working for MS, they're working at the gap. Tell me, which looks better when applying for a full time position: summer analyst at MS + Duke degree, or summer job folding shirts at the gap + Stern degree? </p>
<p>Finally, my dad works at GS. He tells me that he seldomly calls back Stern kids for interviews to hire full time, yet will commonly call back Duke kids (and other top 'liberal arts' type schools). There's something about a well rounded education that doesn't churn out kids who are boring drones...</p>
<p>Legionaire, I hate be rude, but some of your comments are incorrect.</p>
<p>"first of all Duke does not offer Finance in the undergrad level"</p>
<p>Duke does not offer a major in finance at the undergraduate level, however, a major in economics provides a solid foundation in finance, which is why Duke student have no problem entering the finance industry. For example, the following are econ. classes related to finance that you can take copied directly from the courses being offered this fall: BASIC FINAN/INVESTMENTS, PUBLIC FINANCE, CORPORATE FINANCE, MONEY AND BANKING, FINANCIAL MRKTS & INVESTMENT, APPL FINANCIAL ECONOMICS and FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING among others. </p>
<p>"I don't quite hear Duke making advances in the Finance field." Have you ever heard of Fuqua? But I take that you mean undergrad. Well, all of the following are faculty in the economics dept. not at Fuqua School of Business who specialize in some sort of finance (international, public, etc): </p>
<p>Aldrich, Eric
Boulware, Karl
Dedov, Maxym
Fullenkamp, Connel
Huang, Xin
Kiku, Dana
Todorov, Viktor
Garcia Cicco, Javier
Kozlovskaya, Anna
Pieschacon, Anamaria
Yoshida, Kotaro
Cook, Philip
Goodpaster, Natalie
Jung, Jinhan
Kramer, Randall
Ladd, Helen
Massari, Renzo
Nechyba, Thomas
Smith, Martin</p>
<p>This does not include anyone from Fuqua, so these are people that undergraduates would have access to. In the end, if you are choosing between Stern and Duke, you are essentially choosing between a liberal arts education and a business education. Both will allow you to enter the financial sector, but they will provide you with a different type of education. </p>
<p>The following is a link to a perspective put out by the pre-business advising office that talks about the liberal arts and entering business, and the advantages that a liberal arts education affords. </p>
<p>Good luck with your choice. Both Stern and Duke are great choices, and you can get where you want to go from either. Anyways, I hope this clears up some of the statements above.</p>
<p>Yeah, Stern is composed of Duke rejects, right. yeah, everyone wants to go to the ivy of the south, not really. I only said that Duke does't offer undergrad because of a previous query. </p>
<p>"but it won't necessarily (and almost definitely won't be) be THE best job. For the top jobs in i-banking and finance they won't interview Stern kids, because for these jobs its not a matter of how many finance classes you've taken, but how "smart" you are. My friend will be making 90G straight out of Duke, yet his position wasn't even available to any Stern grad."
- I wonder what this position is? Yeah, these companies have sign on them- N0 Stern Students. You make Duke seem like God's own school. Is 90G really high. There are people in Stern that make more than that and I know them personally.</p>
<p>"For example, I have friends at Stern. I'm also not an econ major (though I am getting MMS) -- I have a great summer internship at MS. I got that internship because of my Duke education. My friends at Stern tell me that there was no on campus recruiting for that position. So while they're getting the finance degree, they're not getting all the fringe benefits of a Duke degree. I'm working for MS, they're working at the gap. Tell me, which looks better when applying for a full time position: summer analyst at MS + Duke degree, or summer job folding shirts at the gap + Stern degree?"
GENERALIZATION. I saw a Duke student working the gas pump the other day. Yeah, you got it absolutely correct Stern grads are folding shirts at GAP, I don't think we would be comparing these two schools if that was the case. You are telling me that all Duke students get internships at top position. Your friend whoever it was must be pretty stupid, its very easy to find internships with any GPA. UBS gave internship to a person with a 2.7 out of Columbia. My friend who is a freshman at Stern has an intership with Merill Lynch this summer. Its really sad your friends had to work at GAP. You sound very dumb when you make such generalizations. </p>
<p>"Finally, my dad works at GS. He tells me that he seldomly calls back Stern kids for interviews to hire full time, yet will commonly call back Duke kids (and other top 'liberal arts' type schools). There's something about a well rounded education that doesn't churn out kids who are boring drones..." Does your dad really work at GS? thats great. Its funny because Goldmans Sachs is one of biggest recruiters at NYU. thats not just Stern, NYU. </p>
<p>I never said Duke degree won't open doors for you. You are very biased and negative in your post and this hurts people when they make decision. you can't just take one example of a really retarded kid and use that in your defense. I can ask you the same question? How are the rapists on the lacrosse team doing in their internship search. Are they working for your dad? Is your dad calling him back for anther interview? Are all Duke students all stars? Pretty much ivy rejects. Stern is composed of primarily of Wharton rejects. I said in my post Duke offers a well rounded liberal arts education and if this is what you seek, Duke will be an excellent choice. Duke may be very big in the South, but it is not too big here in the big city. Not a single person applied from my school. Negative posts like these force you to respond like this.
dukestudent2009 sorry the way my response came out, I meant as a major. I completely agree with you in that these are two great schools that will open many doors for you in the future, but they offer two distinctive environments and education.</p>
<p>Rapists on the lacrosse team? Wow, I totally want to listen to what you have to say now. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>And does it really matter if no one from your school applied to Duke? Anyone that matters in NYC (re: employers) respects a Duke degree. What's your point?</p>
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<p>Oh geez. No one held a gun to your head. Spewing out complete BS in that last paragraph was totally your own choice. Bluestar was overly harsh on Stern, but you didn't make yourself look any better.</p>
<p>And BTW, your posts definitely seem like you're trying to make Stern sound like God's own school. Just so you know it's not limited to Dukies here.</p>
<p>Uh...as a Long Islander....Duke's pretty big in New York. Gotta tell ya. Not many people from my HS applied, but after NC, the most represented states here are CA, NY, NJ, and TX...</p>
<p>Just throwing in my (sort of unrelated) 2 cents.</p>
<p>And please do not drag lacrosse players into this. Come on, now. Inappropriate.</p>