<p>Excuse me hazmat, but what do you expect them to do? They can't exactly throw them in jail without proof. I have to say I didn't expect trolling from you, but there's a first time for everything.</p>
<p>A gaming schedule and jail are two very different topics. I have not said the word jail, implied anything other than judicial process and you are way out on a limb. What I do believe is that there are enough other issues regarding university policy and property to be more than awaiting DNA tests. The statements regarding return results of labs imply that only those team members who are linked will be punished. That hardly seems to address the other issues.</p>
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<p>Okie dokie then, let's look at what you implied:</p>
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<p>The implication seems to be that a) Duke isn't taking this seriously and b) the people running the school (or perhaps everyone associated with Duke?) are idiots. Come back when you have something more than tripe like that to post.</p>
<p>You would be correct that I don't think your administrative officers are handling this very well. I am certain that they are taking it seriously however........let the donations begin. You sure do have your jammers in a wad.</p>
<p>You know this is a perfect example of how sometimes your posts make absolutely no sense. Let the donations begin?</p>
<p>Jammers in a wad, how cute. :rolleyes: Have fun sitting on your high horse throwing stones at Dukedumb.</p>
<p>hazmat, if you were Brodhead, what would you do?</p>
<p>I don't understand why you don't get it on many levels but I don't require that you get it so forget it.</p>
<p>bluedevilmike =I would make the forfeiture of games mean something. The way it currently stands the forfeiture doesn't go against the team as it relates to competition. It is just a game not played. Perhaps that matter is up to the NCAA or other sanctioning body? I cannot speak to that. I just know that your campus must be in turmoil and I do feel badly for students having to read all of the negative comments. For that I do feel badly.</p>
<p>Translation: I don't have much to back up my posts with beyond what I can piece together from the media so I'll just slip away quietly now. :) But before you go, I'd also be interested in your answer to mike's question.</p>
<p>EDIT: Uh, a forfeit is a loss. What more do you want it to mean?</p>
<p>Not according to the athletic department it isn't.</p>
<p>So assuming that's true (I'm not entirely sure how the NCAA handles it) making forfeits losses would be your big improvement over what Brodhead is doing? Uh, ok then. I'm sure that would have TOTALLY eliminated any criticism of the administration's response. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>President Brodhead shouldn't have had to be the first to speak in my opine. Where were your coach and athletic director? Those leaders of men? I look for the cancelled games to be replayed w/o players who are criminally charged.......ooops that won't work since we are innocent until proven guilty. Let the blue haze clear the valley and play those games before the trial begins. Let the donations begin immediately.</p>
<p>hazmat, give me a concrete plan of action.</p>
<p>For example, this is what I would have wanted:</p>
<p>No more than a few hours after the investigation is announced, the coach, AD, and team captains hold a press conference to say that they are suspending the season until such time as the matter "begins to clear itself up".</p>
<p>Second, the AD put into place a policy - too little too late, but better than what has happened - that no players are eligible for varsity athletics once any criminal charges of any kind are pending, were settled via plea bargain, or convicted. Any kind - including underage drinking.</p>
<p>Third, behind the scenes, the coaches put pressure on the players to fully cooperate. I hate to say it, but the players who aren't talking for legal reasons are being given bad advice if they actually aren't guilty. Of course you cooperate with police. Of course you tell them everything you know. This is obvious to any lawyer, and so their lawyer must believe they are actually guilty... of something.</p>
<p>That's what I would like to see.</p>
<p>Actually, I'd LIKE to see a much more draconian response than that. But this is what I believe should happen.</p>
<p>hazmat, what is your exact plan?</p>
<p>Hazmat, I think you're confusing "forfeit" with "no contest"; a forfeit is a loss. And I don't think you understood the president's statement; no games will be played until the situation is cleard up, as in, the guilty parties are identified, I assume. I really have no idea what your point is... the lacrosse team's season is basically over.</p>
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<p>Damn our Constitution and those stupid rights of the accused. Who needs 'em, right?</p>
<p>Look, do I think this has been handled perfectly? No. Do I think ANY school can handle a situation like this perfectly? No. I am getting tired of people like you (see your first post, or even this last one...again with the donations) being overly harsh of the school's response without presenting any worthwhile alternatives. </p>
<p>Oh, and if you think your Ivy is above whatever you are accusing Duke of, you are sorely mistaken.</p>
<p>I am not exactly sure what status the games are in at this moment other than they haven't been played. I predict they will be played at a later date. My plan of action would be to go IVY and forget the rest I guess. Now that this story has been picked up Nationally I can sit back and watch it play out just like the rest of the folks in Dukedome. Or was that Dukedumb?</p>
<p>whoa, what, I thought the Ivy League was perfect and beyond reproach whereas Duke is a southern citadel of New Jersey rapists!?! After all, I'm pretty sure the alleged actions of a three drunk athletes can define an entire school of 15,000 students and faculty.</p>
<p>Well, President Broadhead just issued a statement:</p>
<p>Hazmat, you have officially crossed the line into insulting-with-no-good-purpose.</p>
<p>We've made every effort to give you a chance to make legitimate argumentation, asking you what you wanted people to do differently. In my opinion, I did so relatively politely.</p>
<p>You don't have a plan. You don't have constructive commentary. You don't have any actual ideas, you just want to insult an entire community, the vast majority of which are outraged just like you are.</p>
<p>Your insulting tone would have been tolerable had you actually had any dialogue to add; instead, it is troll-like behavior.</p>
<p>Please discontinue your commentary until you actually have something useful to say. That can be criticism of Duke; that can be praise for the anti-sexual-assault response of our student body; I don't much care. But if you're going to be insulting, you should at least have substantive things to say.</p>
<p>As a Duke student, here are my thoughts on this issue:</p>
<p>1) The Duke administrators have done the right thing. The Duke administration needed time to figure out what's going on before publicly issuing a statement. For those who think the administration did not react quickly enough, think of the Bush's administration. Think of the government's reaction speed during Sept 11th and Hurricane Katrina.</p>
<p>2) There is still a lot of uncertainly here. This scandal somehow reminds me of Kobe Bryant's case. There are many versions of the story floating around. One cannot believe solely in what the victim says before further evidences are revealed.</p>
<p>3) I am extremely dissatisfied with the protesters who displayed a disrespectful attitude to their peers in this institution. Please understand that the whole case is still under investigation. No one has been charged for anything, yet. I wouldn't mind protesters yelling out names of the guilty after the court came up with a verdict. Before then, everyone should remain silent as the Durham police works for the truth. Also, it is a shame to have those students displaying such behavior during a day of incoming freshmen visits.</p>
<p>Each and every one of you makes me soooooooooooooooo very proud to be the mother of a Blue Devil 09er!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>You have each demonstrated intelligence, class, grace, dignity, and eloquence in your responses, and you have done so not only in the face of a terribly difficult time at Duke, but also in the face of some pretty classless verbal attacks on this thread. Kudos to each and every one of you.</p>
<p>YOU are what makes Duke the very, very special place that it is. I am so honored to have my son share a college "home" with you.</p>
<p>~berurah</p>