Duke now has lower SATs than Northwestern

<p>@happyman2: Let’s be careful not to generalize the whole student body at UChicago from one poster on CC. I know many students there who are not as insecure as phiruku; they love UChicago and don’t find the need to compare themselves to the Ivies/Stanford/MIT etc or waste their time saying “Duke is going to fall below Northwestern in the rankings”. Students at UChicago are also more likely to go into academia, which could explain the lower earnings than places like Duke and Northwestern that are big feeders into i-banking/consulting. Just because grads from one school have reported higher earnings on one survey with a very specific and imperfect methodology doesn’t mean it is a better school. The quality of a university should be determined by the education it provides its students, not by how much money its graduates earn. As a rising senior at Duke, I have a lot of respect for UChicago, whose academics are among the most rigorous among top universities. There is no such thing as grade inflation at UChicago, and they really teach you how to think critically there. You shouldn’t be denigrating one of the the best institutions of higher education in the country just because of one ■■■■■ post by a CC poster. I expect better from my peers at Duke. </p>

<p>Anyway, who cares about rankings? The methodology is quite subjective anyway. Educated individudals will always view places like Duke, UChicago, MIT, Ivies, Stanford, Northwestern, Caltech, WUSTL, Hopkins, Rice, etc. as among the best universities in the country. Even if we fall out of the top 10, we are still in the top 15 of hundreds and hundreds of universities in the U.S. The faculty, classes, research opportunities, and career/grad school options at Duke are excellent, and that’s what ultimately matters in the end, not the ranking.</p>

<p>Based on the quality of students that are admitted to Duke and where else they might be going when they turn down Duke, the point of this thread seems, well pointless.</p>

<p>I know several kids who got into Duke this year. Based on a sample of 3 from Houston and one online - 2 are giving up Columbia to go to Duke and 2 are giving up Duke to go to UPenn. They are all making impossible choices when have to decide Duke or what else and so yield has little or no bearing when the point is being made.</p>

<p>I also know an International kid who had to choose between Duke and Yale. He was leaning much closer to Duke for engineering but determined Yale was better for high profile contacts in his home country which mattered more ultimately for his long term goals.</p>

<p>Lets get real here. Duke has more National Merit Scholars, a better Wall Street Journal feeder score, and wins more cross admits over UChicago and Northwestern.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
Duke: 93
UChicago: 81
Northwestern: 57</p>

<p>Guys does it freaking matter? Duke, Chicago, and Northwestern are all peer institutions. No one can definitively say one is better than the other. If Duke slips 2 spots and Northwestern jumps into the top 10, will it really matter that much? No.</p>

<p>@goldenboy8784
You are misreading that National Merit Scholar report and/or fabricating numbers contained therein.
<a href=“http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
CHICAGO: 255
Northwestern: 235
Duke: 93</p>

<p>Duke ranking has been at a historic low. Want to talk about student quality? Go look at the WSJ Study or another study here:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/495015-best-placement-here-top-mba-md-jd-programs.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/495015-best-placement-here-top-mba-md-jd-programs.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>rhg3rd, Chicago statistics are inflated. Those are not REAL national merit scholars. They are students who were awarded the scholarship by Chicago. Look it up if you don’t believe me. Duke has far more REAL national merit scholars than Chicago does.</p>

<p>Happyman2:</p>

<p>Didn’t goldenboy just post the stats for the “real” national merit scholars, with Duke with 93, and UChicago with 81? If so, the two schools seem pretty closely matched.</p>

<p>In any case, this thread is silly. These are all great schools that are closely clumped together.</p>

<p>93>81 and Duke>UNC…simple math</p>

<p>But this is a really pointless discussion</p>

<p>I’d like to address this question, and if you like how I handle the topic, I deplore you to send the message to friends and other threads so that hopefully my message can get out.</p>

<p>I used to do this, obsess about numbers and different figures. Who has the higher SAT scores between these schools? What about yield rates? Oh, and the ACT, what about those? I don’t anymore, and not because this data isn’t important because to some VERY LIMITED extent it is. I will explain myself further, but the most important thing to do first is understand where these questions come from. They all arise from the central concern of finding the best college. What college is the best?</p>

<p>I’ve found that the people who ask this question all come from the same group: people who do not understand how college education functions. Perhaps they’ve never experienced college so they don’t know or they’re so far removed that they’ve forgotten. Let us refresh our memories: A college education is much more than what your GPA reflects. Doing well in class is important, but I strongly doubt that anyone in the history of mankind can say they learned everything they needed in life from within a lecture hall or a classroom. College education extends beyond the classroom. You learn how to live without parents or strict guidance, how to defend your morals, and you also learn how to expand yourself mentally, emotionally, socially, spiritually, and physically–or in whatever other way you are inclined to expand yourself (musically, athletically, etc…). This is a college education; this is what college is supposed to do.</p>

<p>Now I want to be extremely clear on this point because it is central to my argument. College is a place where you can learn and expand yourself intellectually, emotionally, socially, spiritually, etc. </p>

<p>The question now shifts entirely. “What is the best college?” can be turned into “What is the best place where you can learn and expand yourself in every way?” THIS IS THE QUESTION!!! How mad must we be to believe that there is a universal answer to this question that can be rendered through data analysis? Yet, I see dozens of threads celebrating a school when it becomes “top 10” or breaks “top 5”. </p>

<p>We have become a nation that dare to say a child would be going to a better college if they attended Harvard instead of Boston University (two random schools). We must return to way of thinking that allows us to believe that no school is better than the other. We must stop seeking the best college and go back to looking for the right college. These polls, in my opinion, give us a piece to the puzzle of finding the RIGHT school for us. My best friend goes to Providence College, and I go to Duke. I would say Duke is the better school, yes, but Duke is not the better college. Not for my best friend at least. Duke is the right college for me. I have experienced and learned more than I could imagine, just the same way my best friend has done at Providence. The truth is a student from UChicago could go to Duke and get a better college education and vice versa. This doesn’t mean that one college is better than the other. It means that the student found a better place where he/she could expand himself/herself. </p>

<p>There is no best school, not for everyone. There is only the right school, and there is a right school for everyone. These rankings, these figures, they only provide a small part of the bigger picture. That is how we should treat all this data, as pieces to a bigger whole that we ourselves must put together to find our number one school.</p>

<p>Harpoon me if you want. Call me an idealist, perhaps you’re right. What I can tell you with certainty though, and with my right hand to God, is that I would never change what school I go to because not a single other school can make me smile like Duke can. There isn’t a college in the world where I feel that I belong so much to a community the way I feel at Duke. This is because Duke is the right school for me. For that reason, Duke is number one in my book. I don’t need a magazine that annually publishes a slightly different list from the year before just so they can move inventory to tell me that my school isn’t the best school for me. Everyone should be able to say that they go to a number one school, and if they don’t, then it’s time to transfer because there is your number one school out there. It just might not be at the top of a webpage.</p>

<p>@ TheBlueDevil</p>

<p>Well written post! I couldn’t agree with you more. The importances of these rankings are overblown. A high school senior has to decide the “best fit” for him/her and not the “best college.” Will it offer him/her more than just a place to study? Will he/she thrive academically and socially as a result of being at that university? In addition, another very important question to consider (that no one seems to mention in CC) is: does the college or university offer an egalitarian and caring culture for the student? My son spent three days at Duke and three days at Rice. He loved both. As a father, I was comfortable with both universities. I envisioned him playing his trumpet at a Duke basketball game! In the end, however, he chose Rice as he felt this was the best fit for him.</p>