<p>Check this out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wm.edu/about/facts.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.wm.edu/about/facts.php</a></p>
<p>You're right, there is no comparison!</p>
<p>P.S. I'll think about you next time some blue collar type responds to your school t-shirt when they yell "go Blue Devils" (sports reference). When I wear my school t-shirt, people ask me for directions (intellectual reference). I think that sizes things up perfectly....</p>
<p>Perusing further - I did read "A recent NCAA study shows that only William and Mary and Stanford University reported student-athlete SAT scores of at least 1,000 in eight categories based on gender and sport." (link</a>). That would be an interesting study to read. I would have to assume, for example, that some schools did not <em>report</em> averages by team in this recent study (which is from at least 2001). Or, that the "eight categories" were chosen specifically to minimize overlap with other institutions, thus Stanford and W&M were the only two to have scores over 1000 in <em>those</em> eight categories. Do you happen to have that report? Not questioning it with respect to Duke, really, but I would guess that Harvard - which has more teams than anyone, probably has more than 8 with higher-than-1000 test scores.</p>
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I'll think about you next time some blue collar type responds to your school t-shirt when they yell "go Blue Devils" (sports reference). When I wear my school t-shirt, people ask me for directions (intellectual reference). I think that sizes things up perfectly....
Hmm. Fortunately, I will not think about that classless comment as any indication of the terriffic people who choose to attend, graduate from, or work at William & Mary.</p>
<p>Being good with directions is a mark of intellectualism? Ahahahahaha....oh wait, you're serious.</p>
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<p>Problem is, your remarks can't be taken seriously. Please post some concrete proof that Duke's reputation is based on sports and its med school. I've already posted proof to the contrary.</p>
<p>Hahaha. William and Mary is an amazing school. It was just more amazing a few hundred years ago, though I still think its a cool place and beautiful. On the other hand, I find your attacks on Dukie funny (I'm not an alum, but my best friend/cousin will be in...three years, unless he goes there for grad school or something too).</p>
<p>Duke is consistently ranked top 10 in US News (Usually somewhere between 6-8), ranked top 10 in WSJ feeders into the top 15 feeder professional schools (usually between 6-8) and ranked in the top 20 in the London Times International rankings (top 15 I think)? So yeah, no one thinks Duke grads are smart :) </p>
<p>Of course, Duke kids are smart but they like Bball too, I guess every smart kid at Duke (and there are many, comparing the 1380-1550 SATs to WM's 1240-1430) only attends there for the Bball Team haha</p>
<p>I mean, I'd rather have people shout out "Go Duke BBALL" if I had a Duke shirt on, as compared to people not saying anything when wearing a W&M shirt.</p>
<p>Alright macsuile, you figured us out... I admit it... we DO have top Athletic programs to go along with our top academic program... how embarrassing.</p>
<p>Y'all should quit feeding the troll...</p>
<p>Dear TTP-</p>
<p>Your statistics are outdated. Latest W&M 50%-ile range (2005) is 1310-1470 or 1390 average (in-state & out-of-state combined; see <a href="http://www.wm.edu/news/?id=5758)%5B/url%5D">http://www.wm.edu/news/?id=5758)</a>. Average for out of state students is over 1450 (same as Duke) and for Monroe Scholars it is over 1500. W&M is also the top public feeder to JHU Medical School and tops in "brainy" sports like tennis, golf and swimming. Don't even get me started on W&M's academic firsts. No other school can match that kind of gravitas.</p>
<p>jw, how outdated is collegeboard? I think its about two years at most.</p>
<p>But anyways, the prestige of college is based and here and now, not in the past, though admittedly W&M has a position in American history that no other University could come even close to claiming (alliteration not intended)</p>
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<p>That is the trolliest trollism that I've ever heard.</p>
<p>People, quit feeding the beast.</p>
<p>Quote from TTP: "The prestige of college is based on here and now, not in the past." Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how inane that sounds? Do Harvard, Yale and Princeton derive their prestige from their current performance? Of course not. In fact, in recent times, they have rested on their accumulated "prestige laurels." This is a premium that the school in Durham will never, ever have. In fact, W&M turned the Duke family away 80 years ago when they approached the school first (Trinity College was their last choice).</p>
<p>haha.........</p>
<p>Obviously Trinity was their last choice, for the same reason that your keys are always in the last place you look for them.</p>
<p>"Quote from TTP: "The prestige of college is based on here and now, not in the past." Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how inane that sounds? Do Harvard, Yale and Princeton derive their prestige from their current performance? Of course not. In fact, in recent times, they have rested on their accumulated "prestige laurels." This is a premium that the school in Durham will never, ever have. In fact, W&M turned the Duke family away 80 years ago when they approached the school first (Trinity College was their last choice)."</p>
<p>Clark University was one of the best research universities in the country during the early 20th century. Rutgers was extremely prestigious in the 1800s. What's your point?</p>
<p>Children, children, children. Please...put away the measuring tapes and just relax. If you all are teenagers, I feel really bad that you are already this uptight at such a young age. You have the rest of your life for that. Stop bickering and do something more productive with your time rather than continuing this futile one-upsmanship. You'll be shouting statistics until you're blue in the face.</p>
<p>Everyone seems a bit set in their opinions and I doubt any of you will be changing your minds anytime soon. Again, just relax and let the thread die.</p>
<p>"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics" -Mark Twain</p>
<p>macs, Harvard is the best country in the school RIGHT NOW, as with Yale and Stanford...William and Mary...not so much anymore,</p>
<p>It doesn't matter how good they were hundreds of years ago, being part of history is one thing but just because a school is older doesn't make it better.</p>
<p>Prestigious colleges and universities are almost all old; even "old world." They were created at the same time our nation was created, and have been a major part of the educational landscape. Their cornerstones are much more likely to be inscribed "1690" than "1960." At the same time, this sense of tradition and permanence is balanced by a spirit of innovation. While they may be 1600-something institutions, they are 21st-century players. </p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.universitybusiness.com/page.cfm?p=411%5B/url%5D">http://www.universitybusiness.com/page.cfm?p=411</a></p>
<p>Well Harvard is definetely a 21st century major power house, its still the best school in the world, my point is that WM isn't one of the top schools in the US anymore which is why history doesn't matter as much as the present</p>