<p>^^ “Grade deflation” is all relative and in the case of #219, relative to Yale’s hyper-inflation. :D</p>
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<p>I would guess not. Remember, a Roberston is a high school award. Grad/professional schools care much more what you do in college.</p>
<p>Yalerocks, please read the thread more fully. This was discussed considerably and, in fact, was the subject of most of the disagreement here. </p>
<p>The fact is that the Robinson Scholar designation is obtained by the student due to great achievements **WHILE IN HIGH SCHOOL **and not while at Duke.</p>
<p>Even so, the Princeton education would still be considered more highly than the Robinson Duke stuff you are talking about when applying to grad/med/law school.</p>
<p>good try though</p>
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<p>Absolutely correct! The same thought should also apply to SAT/ACT scores after graduation. Honestly, after four years of college why should anyone care what you did in high school anymore?</p>
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<p>^^^Well considering mechanical engineering is relatively weak at Duke, it should matter. But who knows? I still can’t figure out why any future employer would want to know what you scored on the SAT as an 18 year old after you graduated from college.</p>
<p>rjk, same here…I just can’t find a reason…</p>
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<p>The OP indicated in another thread that he selected Duke.</p>
<p>It’s time to cut down that horse, guys. It’s been beaten enough, the poor thing.</p>
<p>very happy for him!</p>
<p>great choice!</p>
<p>he mentions it here, along with more Duke v. Prnceton posts</p>
<p><a href=“Why Duke? - Duke University - College Confidential Forums”>Why Duke? - Duke University - College Confidential Forums;
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<p>Thanks for all of your tributes to Duke. I don’t really understand the need to bring up your personal resume of attending the Duke-UNC game in Cameron and NCAA games in The Garden. Yes, I have tickets in Cameron and have been to many of the games Duke plays in The Garden and the old Meadowlands. I’m also an attorney and sense you would do well in my profession as you seem to respond at all times of the day and night to any topic related to Princeton. You then return to an agenda that is very personal to others and need to be the winner in any discourse. I only wanted to balance the discussion for “high schoolers” who you seem to minimize as to their achievements in your recent comments. Some may value independent opinions and I only wanted to provide that perspective in my earlier post. </p>
<p>Princeton is perhaps the top university in the U.S… For me, and others, Duke was and is a better choice. I don’t need to justify my opinion because my life reflects the result from my perspective. As for the OP, he should be proud that his high school accomplishments have put him in a place to seize the amazing opportunities that Princeton, Duke or his final college choice makes possible. There is not a minute that goes by that I feel I would be better if I had attended a different university. Hopefully, that’s the way my kids will feel and that’s all one could ask.</p>
<p>Do you truly feel a choice other than Princeton is the wrong one for “high schoolers” that enroll elsewhere? I never underestimate the ability of the kids I interview as a volunteer alumni interviewer for Duke to make the right choice of their college and certainly don’t try to downplay the qualities of other institutions (even UNC!). </p>
<p>These are volitile sudjects with strong feelings by all involved. My window into Duke was meant to be a representative view that many alumni share. If it helps explain the attraction many applicants, students, and alumni have to a place that is striving to “make a difference” as articulated in the universitiy’s most recent strategic plan, then I’m pleased.</p>
<p>Sorry for the late post. I didn’t see the recent replys and thanks JA for congratulating our new Dukie. I think my time on CC is limited. Good luck to all new college admits!</p>
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<p>lets see, I kindly mention that I am a big fan of Duke, enough to have gone out of my way and fly down to NC to watch a basketball game and you mention that it is not proper to discuss this?</p>
<p>yet you discuss the drive that you took from the Championship game to Duke… and that is OK to discuss on the message board while attacking me for what I posted?</p>
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<p>what is wrong with this picture?</p>
<p>gsoncdad, please provide the EXACT quote from me where I said this?</p>
<p>since I don’t believe in this, I obviously did not state it…I personally believe that the OP will be happy at either school…and many other ones that he got accepted at…</p>
<p>so please provide the facts…</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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<p>I just noticed you have over 1000 posts and joined this site in February 2010 if I understand the metrics. I simply wanted to give a Duke perspective. I’ll leave it to others to engage in a neverending discourse. If one needs to say Princeton is best to exit, so be it. Princeton is best for those who need it to be. And any other admission you needed from me, it is given. I’m clearly not meant to be on this forum.</p>
<p>I’m sorry I inadvertantly started an unnecessary discussion.</p>
<p>gsoncdad, would you kindly tell me why it is important to comment on the number of posted messages that I have made?</p>
<p>Are you trying to prove some kind of point here?</p>
<p>Is this similar to the attack that you made on me for simply discussing my trip to NC to watch one of my favorite schools, Duke, play its arch rival, UNC - while you continued to post about a meaningless trip you took to Duke from the Championship basketball game?</p>
<p>why post anything at all if all you are going to do is attack in this manner?</p>
<p>regarding who is best - have we not concluded that the Robinson Duke Scholar program is probably best for this particular OP and that he could also be happy at Princeton?..so why the comment?:</p>
<p>"If one needs to say Princeton is best to exit, so be it. Princeton is best for those who need it to be. "</p>
<p>gsoncdad, I am asking you kindly again,</p>
<p>please provide the EXACT quote from me where I said this?</p>
<p>since I don’t believe in this, I obviously did not state it…I personally believe that the OP will be happy at either school…and many other ones that he got accepted at…</p>
<p>so please provide the facts…</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, for Sanford and Duke, fairness and meritocracy stood in the way of these “outrageous ambitions.” Like most politicians (Sanford was an NC governor before he assumed the presidency at Duke), he was a snake-oil salesman and an opportunist. His greatest legacy at Duke is the morally questionable practice of “development admits”: </p>
<p>“The late Terry Sanford, Duke president from 1969 to 1985, practiced donor preference on a large scale. A former North Carolina governor, he used his wide circle of contacts in business, politics and the media to elevate Duke from a regional to a national university.”</p>
<p>[The</a> Wall Street Journal Classroom Edition](<a href=“http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/03may/EDUC_moneytalks.htm]The”>http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/03may/EDUC_moneytalks.htm)</p>
<p>Of course, this is no reason to choose Princeton over Duke. Princeton has its own share of morally questionable institutions, such as its “Eating Clubs.”</p>
<p>I thought it was pretty tacky to denigrate the OP’s Duke scholarship by suggesting that it is a “high school” achievement. This is true only in the same sense being an Echols Scholar at UVa or being in the honors program at other colleges is a high school achievement. I also don’t understand why folks from Princeton are so defensive…maybe it comes from believing that you’re number one, but always being listed third.</p>
<p>I see it differently Hunt. The costs for Duke and Princeton were very close for the OP. It was the Dukies and their supporters who felt it was just as good as going to Princeton and that the prestigious scholarship would make a difference at the end of four years.</p>
<p>Go to Princeton. Don’t need another Cameron Crazy running around! :-p</p>
<p>OK, for everybody trying to say that Duke or Princeton has a better culture. Stop. Right. Now. You’re comparing apples and oranges.</p>
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<p>Wow. You’re a freaking elitist, aren’t you?</p>
<p>Hunt, what part of the Robinson Duke Scholar Schlarship being offered to the OP while he was in high school do you not undestand?</p>
<p>It has absolutely nothing to do with his college achievements, because not only is he not enrolled in college, but he had yet to choose what college he would be attending when he received the scholarship.</p>
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