<p>Yeah, within the last 15 or so years, it's been in the top 10 about 1/3 of the time. (Not that this indicates much about UChic, anyway...)</p>
<p>looking back at the link lol...sorry that i never commented to this but yea
"What's most intriguing is Casper's commending Berkeley ("the University of California-Berkeley ... among the very best universities in America") when Stanford and Berkeley are complete rivals."
-if ucb was ranked 100 on the list and stanford continues to state that ucb is its rival...O.o people can possilby think of stanford differently now</p>
<p>"ok I WILL MEET NO OPPOSITION W/ this comment hehe =D...anycolleges listed on us news as being top 100 is better than a community college =D undebatable I WIN =D"</p>
<p>lol unless you hate all those colleges for some unknown reason and would rather go to a cc instead. :P</p>
<p>"-if ucb was ranked 100 on the list and stanford continues to state that ucb is its rival...O.o people can possilby think of stanford differently now"</p>
<p>I don't understand what you're trying to say. Clarify?</p>
<p>ok basically stanford will fight for ucb's reputation as a whole because it affects stanford negatively if ucb's reputation suffers eg: students were doing drugs, etc
headlines =D stanford's rival...the drug addicts of california =D</p>
<p>Oh, I see, so bad/good/etc. by association? Then again, Casper also commended UMich.</p>
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Well, because no one can come to "conclusion" about Duke and Cal, let me ask this: What makes Duke and Cal CLEARLY better than U. of Maryland?
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<p>bookfreak89 you made a good point. In the end, what matters is where you will fit in. I know kids from Maryland who applied to Duke and really hated it, ended up transfering back to UM, college park. It's just up to the person and which fits more.</p>
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I'm not going to find and paste all of the data. Comparing Cal and Duke in such a way is plausible...you're asking too much if you want me to do the same with UMaryland.
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<p>brand_182
Yes, statistically, Duke and Cal are "better" in academic sense. But not at ALL aspect. That's why it's up to the person to choose, there's no clear line saying that if one get accepted to Duke and Maryland they should go to Duke without a question. I chose Maryland (for grad engineering) over Duke because statistically Maryland ranks higher than Duke in grad school engineering and it's way cheaper. There are more research opportunities near the nation capital.</p>
<p>U of Maryland, College Park wasn't well known to people before the year 2000. But it has made lots of changes and improvements and went up really high in ranks. There are current ~79 majors at Maryland ranked in top 25. All the engineering majors are ranked in top 25 (Berkeley too of course). 2 nobel prizes in consecutive years 2005,2006. It's really changing and growing at a fast rate.</p>
<p>Because Berkeley and DUke are very famous in the states for along time and there's a large amount of money flowing in that's why they have good reputations. But in the long run, you can't really tell who's better, yet.</p>
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Kids at Duke and Cal are just much, much smarter than kids at MD. I mean, there are stats that prove this beyond any doubt. But if you just know people that go to any of the three schools, its clear that MD kids are just not as talented as the ones at Duke and Cal.
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<p>thethoughtprocess
in general, on average, TRUE. But It's not always true that the higher ranked, more reputations are better FOR YOU. There are kids at maryland who gets perfect on everything (undergrad & grad) That's why I say consider what's important, what fits you most when choosing the school. Sorry to say this but for Duke grad engineering, it's ranked lower than Maryland in almost every current engineering rankings. And they pay a very very large amount of money for less research opportunities. For someone from Maryland who's into engineering (and some other majors too), I don't think it's even a choice to consider between the two schools. Similarly, I think if you live in CA and wanting to do bio/bioengineering, Duke shouldn't be your choice.</p>
<p>Wait, who here is talking about graduate engineering programs? No one. So it is completely irrelevant. </p>
<p>Also, obviously personal fit plays a role. But there are many ways schools can be objectively ranked. In that case, Duke is better than Berkeley, but both are much better than UMD. If you disagree, its obvious objectivity is not something held in importance by you. I am discussing just undergrad here, because I don't know much about grad schools and don't care at all about them.</p>
<p>i was discussing undergrad, I'm just taking my case as an example of what school fits me more or what provides me more opportunity. if you look back, I did say that this is an undergrad choice discussion, people just wonder why I chose maryland over duke and I said for my case only. As for undergrad, sure duke is more wellknown than maryland but that doesn't mean the college life or the surrounding places or the education in some areas are better for any particular person. I'll leave out maryland since we are talking about berkeley and duke. </p>
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Duke is better than Berkeley, but both are much better than UMD.
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Better in what sense? better because you have to pay more? better because your lacrosse team is suspended? better because you recruit all-american athletes every year and still aren't that great in sports?</p>
<p>For a CA resident, you would probably benefit more from cal than going all the way to the east coast.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ussa.edu/directors-cup/index.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.ussa.edu/directors-cup/index.asp</a></p>
<p>LOL @ College Grad.</p>
<p>Those are just current standings and 2/3 of the sports haven't been counted. In the past, it's been pretty much Stanford #1 and UCLA #2 in the final standings. That is, UCLA > UCB/Duke!!!</p>
<p>"But there are many ways schools can be objectively ranked. In that case, Duke is better than Berkeley, but both are much better than UMD. If you disagree, its obvious objectivity is not something held in importance by you."</p>
<p>They can't be accurately ranked -- you can look at facts objectively, but you can't say "Oh this one's obviously superior because it's ranked a bit higher." It simply doesn't work like that. If you disagree, it's obvious that being informed is not something held in importance by you.</p>
<p>^ I fully agree with you kyledavid80. I wonder why Samm_Lee et. al can't understand that? Could it be that they're connected with US News?</p>
<p>kyledavid, it appears you're having trouble quoting. Instructions on how to do so can be found [url=<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/misc.php?do=bbcode#quote%5Dhere%5B/url">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/misc.php?do=bbcode#quote]here[/url</a>]. :)</p>
<p>Oh I know how to do the whole [ quote ] thing, but I've done real quotes for so long / sometimes I forget. >.< Thanks. =)</p>
<p>kyledavid80,</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood. That was a joke.</p>
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I think you misunderstood. That was a joke.
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I should say so!!! Any ranking that puts Stanford and/or UCLA above Duke is obviously a joke. :D</p>
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But not at ALL aspect
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<p>Let's face it. One school is seldom going to be better than another in ALL ASPECTS. If that is your "if" to the "then" statement that one school is better than another, then I can't help you.</p>
<p>However, you will find that in the vast majority of comparable categories, Duke and Cal are superior to UMaryland.</p>
<p>warblersrule86,</p>
<p>Are we talking about basketball? I still remember that shot at the buzzer by Casey Jacobsen few years ago. :)</p>
<p>I admit I haven't seen anyone from Stanford doing something like that for quite a while.</p>