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<p>I’m sure a lot of people disagree with this…</p>
<p>Berkley’s professors rival those at Harvard, Stanford, and MIT. Yes, overall even more distinguished than Yale’s and Princeton’s. Duke is also a great school. But Berkley is just too good to beat. Berkeley is not just super strong in engineering departments. It is super strong at everything.</p>
<p>In terms of the individual departments across the board, Berkeley is as good as Stanford and Harvard.</p>
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<p>this list is extremely flawed. I have lived in CA, new england (multiple places) TX and TN. caltech is very niche and i wouldn’t include it in a general “prestige” list. columbia > non HYPSM as does Wharton (other Penn schools are meh). Brown and Cornell have more prestige if not only because of their ivy names. northwestern shouldn’t even be on the list. washu and jhu are known mostly amongst med school hopefuls because of their strong med schools, not because of undergrad or any other grad school. duke is known amongst southern students due to Duke TIP (as is JHU known amongst northern students b/c of CTY)… the prestige isn’t universal as HYPSM, but it’s still good. northwestern shouldn’t really even be on this list as you yourself skipped over schools of similar prestige like chicago rice emory etc these are very local and/or nichie schools</p>
<p>note that these are GENERALIZATIONS about prestige. each person obviously has a different perception, but these are the GENERAL attitudes i have observed in all the places i have lived. HYPSM are universal. berkeley would fit right below the HYPSM level in CA and around the second tier elsewhere, except in the south where its regarded as lesser than UT and even A&M sometimes…</p>
<p>OP and RML,</p>
<p>Big UC fan? I am a Cali resident and chose Duke over Berkeley. Duke is more prestigious in the undergrad world without question, sorry RML. You seem to like rankings. You forgot to mention the most popular college ranking which just by chance puts Duke in the top 10 and Berkeley somewhere in the twenties I believe. You seem to think that Berkeley is far more prestigious than it actually is: I’ve never heard of it being put higher than Duke in that category. It is a very good undergrad school but from the many friends I know who attend the classes seem large and impersonal. For undergrad econ Duke is great and our Spanish department is actually know to be one of the best. However, we don’t have any people living in trees down here or did they get rid of those at UCB? As for landing jobs in the business: Duke is one of the top recruited schools for finance and consulting behind only HYPW, on the same level as Dartmouth, and above UCB. Plus in my mind, you can’t been top 10 private with top 30 public.</p>
<p>BTW, what’s with the whole “cuddled” thing? And who makes more money mid-career? And Duke is a great feeder school and has plenty of international and more national recognition. One think Berkeley is better in is grad programs. There they beat Duke hands down. So go to Duke for undergrad and Berkeley for grad school.</p>
<p>To argue that UCB is more “prestigoius” than Duke at an UNDERGRAD level seems too far-fetched. Check any data on graduate school acceptances (per capita) or stuff like that. People know more about Berkeley for its graduate programs. At an undergrad level, I’d put Berkeley on par with like Washu or may be NU and JHU.</p>
<p>ugh…why are we still on this topic again?</p>
<p>I got into Duke, Cornell and most of UC schools.( only waitlisted at Stanford) I decided to accept Duke. California is having financial problems and all UC schools are getting their shares. </p>
<p>"At Tuesday’s meeting, Johansen said he doesn’t think UC will take a one-size fits all approach. More likely, campuses will find out the size of their budget cuts and will be allowed to design their own plans to implement them, he said. At the last Regents board meeting, all UC campuses submitted plans showing what they are doing to deal with the budget crisis.</p>
<p>At a recent town hall meeting, UCSD Chancellor Marye Anne Fox said that the campus took a $4 million hit during the 2008-09 budget year and an additional $12 million mid-year cut. All along, officials have tried to make sure that cuts have a minimal impact on classrooms and laboratories, she added."</p>
<p>All colleges are suffering from the economic downturn. I believe Duke has to make cuts to its operating budget to the tune of $125M in the next few years.</p>
<p>Here’s an excerpt from President Brodhead’s email to the Duke community recently:</p>
<p>“Add up these exposures, factor in the more cautious projections for
recovery that now seem warranted, and the estimated negative impact on
Duke University’s operating budget will be on the order of $125
million. This means that over the next several years we will have to
adjust to the reality that Duke’s budget, instead of growing steadily,
will have to be approximately $125 million smaller than it is today.”</p>
<p>Thanks SBR for the info. I am checking it out. </p>
<p>[News</a> 14 | 24 Hour Local News | HEADLINES | Duke University makes big budget cuts](<a href=“http://www.news14.com/content/headlines/605750/duke-university-makes-big-budget-cuts/Default.aspx?ap=1&Flash]News”>http://www.news14.com/content/headlines/605750/duke-university-makes-big-budget-cuts/Default.aspx?ap=1&Flash)</p>
<p>I live in NC and no one has even heard of Berkeley here. I am going to Duke. My family is from Lebanon and they have heard of: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, MIT, and Duke. The reason is that in foreign countries the top schools reputation of Duke plus the reputation its sports team gets it really is extraordinary. Moreover, Duke has like the best study abroad program ever.</p>
<p>They are both good schools though, of course. Arguing that Berkely is more prestigious is SOOOOOO far-fetched though. MIT, Duke ,and Stanford are all ranked in the top 10 over Ivy Leagues for a reason.</p>
<p>Coming from a Duke student… what makes their study abroad so great.</p>
<p>You can go for a semester or two and even a whole year. Also, I am taking political science and Duke will pay me to go over the summer to a city of my choice, ranging from Raleigh to D.C. to New York, New York to Geneva, Switzerland.</p>
<p>Who would actually know what Duke is? Berkeley is known worldwide, is Duke known worldwide? Why is it not even in the world rankings?lol…right. it’s just a southern school, my bad.</p>
<p>^^ You revived a year-old thread just to say that? Go back to your dying public school system.</p>
<p>lol apparently, even our dying public school system owns duke in any notable major.</p>
<p>^Dude, Berkeley is good for grad, I give you that.</p>
<p>But it doesn’t even compare to Duke in undergrad studies. Everyone in my school (I live in California, Bay area) believes Duke >>> Berkeley hands down.
I believe in the world rankkings Duke ranked 13 while Berkeley was ranked in the 30s in undergrad studies.</p>
<p>I really forget which rankings, but if someone knows what I’m referring to and can pull out that ranking chart, I’d greatly appreciate it.</p>
<p>Even if by some miracle Berkeley and Duke are similar in prestige and academics, Duke wins.
Berkeley has horrible campus, ghetto location, old buildings and no diversity at all. Its so overcrowded and a lot of undeserving people get accepted to Berkeley (I speak from personal experience as well) as factored by the high acceptance rate.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, but this isn’t even a competition. A comparison of Duke and Columbia? Duke vs. UPenn? I understand that. But this??
A UC school can never compete at undergrad level with an Ivy League leveled school.</p>
<p>Just type in international university rankings on google.
Except for Times, which they screwed up, and had ended contract with the previous one who put like bunch of British Univ in top 50 and put cal and stanford off top 15.</p>
<p>Duke is never mentioned anywhere. Even outside of US, who knows of Duke?
There probably isn’t a single notable major in Duke that’s better compared to Cal’s even in undergrad. </p>
<p>Who would compare Columbia to Duke? More like Cornell/JHU to Duke…but Cornell beats Duke any day.</p>
<p>Only thing that’s good is class size and a basketball team.
yuck, i rather stay in CA than deal with those southerners with accents.</p>
<p>14% at Duke and 20% at cal doesn’t seem that different.
Duke can’t be compared to ivy leveled school b/c nothing is good in Duke except for sports.</p>
<p>Go figure, this is the world ranking you are referring to? Duke lol 13…doesn’t even deserve spot 40</p>
<p>[ARWU</a> 2009](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp]ARWU”>http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp)</p>
<p>[An</a> Analysis of UC Berkeley’s rankings in the latest THE – QS World University Rankings 2008 at Ern Sheong’s Blog](<a href=“http://ernsheong.com/2008/10/12/an-analysis-of-uc-berkeleys-rankings-in-the-latest-the-qs-world-university-rankings-2008/]An”>http://ernsheong.com/2008/10/12/an-analysis-of-uc-berkeleys-rankings-in-the-latest-the-qs-world-university-rankings-2008/)</p>
<p>John117, no one actually thinks that Berkeley > Duke, don’t worry. Don’t feed the flamer.</p>