<p>To answer the OP actual question:</p>
<p>From anecdotal evidence the acceptance rate for CCIB for the class of 2013 was about 50% and for the class of 2014 about 45%.</p>
<p>I am a member of the program and get on well with some of the advisers. In regard to getting in, other than having decent grades, the most important factor is actually showing you are passionate about business rather than just applying so that you can list the program on your resume.</p>
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<p>I hear that BCG <em>loves</em> Chicago . . . apparently one of their regional directors is married to someone in CAPS or something like that . . . lololol</p>
<p>Thanks for the responses everyone! You’ve all been really helpful.
After reading all this, I’ve come to some more questions:</p>
<p>-I really like the CCIB program; I’m just worried that as a member of the class of 2016, entrance to the program will become increasingly competitive. If, for some reason, I don’t get into the program, how else could I pursue a career in business at UChicago?</p>
<p>-After looking at various companies, it seems like they do recruit slightly more at Duke. Does anyone have personal experiences with on-campus recruiting?</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>My son picked U Chicago for his intended major and career choice, more so than the vaunted “life of the mind mantra” (I was much more excited about this reputation than he is- also, I knew all along that he is the perfect fit for all that the U Chicago was reputed for- I knew him better than he did sort of on this regard).</p>
<p>Turns out, he changed his major, but absolutely fell in love with all that U Chicago had to offer - the culture, the life of the mind mantra - the whole package deal (I was right with my prediction). He is absolutely happy there.</p>
<p>Now, I will ask this question to OP: Are you 1000% sure about your future direction? My son was 10000% sure at the beginning, but he has changed his direction later. Imagine if you chose the school solely based on what you thought you are going to aim for, even though the fit was not right. What would happen if you end up pursuing a different path at a school that is not a good fit for you?</p>
<p>At the level of U Chicago and Duke, whatever perceived difference of career perspective is really minimal, I think. Especially, U Chicago is rapidly catching up in the professional track also, so by the time you graduate from Chicago, I highly, highly doubt you will be disadvantaged because Chicago is slightly less professional in its orientation than Duke. </p>
<p>Based on everything I heard, U CHicago and Duke have meaningfully different culture on a macro level. My son’s very close friend goes to Duke, and my son told me that when he exchanges stories and college life experiences, these two schools are indeed very different in terms of orientation and culture. So, the primary decision factor is really the fit: where will you have a more meaningful 4 years during your most formative period? What kind of environment are you looking for? If you were my son, that’s the factor I would most seriously recommend that you consider, not a minuscule difference in career orientation prospect. </p>
<p>based on everything my son told me, the life of the life mantra and reputation of U CHicago is no joke. It’s a reality that permeates the entire campus. Does this appeal to you? Or, are you looking for more “regular” college experience with exciting frat life, big time sports, etc? Then Duke should be your choice. </p>
<p>that said, well adjusted young people will thrive anywhere.</p>
<p>UChicago let me in EA and I interviewed for the trustee at USC as well— you should post this on the USC forum!</p>
<p>To all the people who say that Duke ranks lower than Chicago in the international rankings, you have to factor in the fact that those rankings are focussed primarily on graduate schools. This is precisely why Brown, Dartmouth, Duke and Princeton (to a certain extent) are dealt the short shrift. These are schools that are focussed on educating undergraduates. Historically, Chicago has not been the least bit focussed on its undergrads, and that is only just beginning to change. Duke on the other hand has paid far less attention to its grad schools, and has always emphasized undergraduate excellence. Duke undergrads are exceptionally well prepared for a career in business, they score higher than chicago grads on the GMAT, and often end up at the best business schools. In fact, Duke is the 2nd largest feeder to Booth! (Chicago is surprisingly not number 1).
It is unfortunate that being ranked at the 5th spot on US News is going to the heads of Chicago grads to this extent. Let me remind you that Duke was ranked 3rd in the very same rankings not too long ago, and is the only school apart from Stanford to have displaced a member of the big three in the rankings. People like truth123 and his cohorts are under the mistaken impression that Chicago will be the next Harvard. Unfortunately, this view is myopic and delusional. Chicago is admittedly going through an advantageous phase, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. But to equate rising in the rankings to becoming an integral part of HYPSM is absolutely ludicrous.</p>
<p>^^ Sounds like someone’s a bit bitter.</p>
<p>Your rant was funny though. Especially your comment about Chicago not focusing on their undergrads since you know, Chicago’s on the US News list of Best Undergraduate Teaching and has the oldest Great Books undergrad curriculum in the nation. Chicago just didn’t start holding their students’ hands until recently, which is why the campus was so dreary; if the fact that Duke has always been an easy school appeases you, then so be it. It’s a testament to the fact that Duke undergrad has never been on par with the rigors of a Chicago education.</p>
<p>Chicago WILL be the next part of HYPSM, and it’s hardly even debatable at this point. Chicago’s top 5 for College, Law, and Business, and top 10 for Med School. Your idea that Chicago can never be in the top 5 school is laughable; it already IS top 5. You’re simply peeved that Duke has not had, and never will have, the success that Chicago is experiencing. </p>
<p>The reason Chicago has had so much success is that it already had all the right pieces - it just needed a good administration, which it never had. Now that Chicago has a fantastic administration, it’ll pretty easily join the ranks of HYPSM in the next 5 years. Duke, however, has never had the right pieces in place - it doesn’t have the powerful alumni that Chicago has, it doesn’t have the elite grad schools that Chicago has, its students don’t have the passion that Chicago students have, and its professors aren’t even close to being as renowned as Chicago’s professors.</p>
<p>Yes, I am indeed bitter that I rejected Chicago. What a laughable retort. 70% of Duke-Chicago cross admits pick Duke over Chicago. We have phenomenal representation on wall street and in management consulting. McKinsey only recruits ‘sophomore diversity leaders’ from 4 schools; Harvard, Yale, Duke, and Penn. Duke alumni earn more money than Chicago grads (check out the payscale data). The WSJ’s 2012 ranking of schools based on employer preferences ranked Duke 2nd in terms of producing the best prepared graduates with a liberal arts degree, Duke also ranked 3rd for producing the best students with marketing degrees. Having said that, I don’t really feel the need to perpetuate this petty argument. Is Chicago a great school? Sure it is, why else would I choose to apply there. Is Chicago everything you make it out to be? Not by a long shot. At the end of the day there is only so much information that you can fabricate and spin to your advantage. One piece of empirical data dwarfs all your lofty claims. Duke>Chicago (70% to 30%) in cross admits. That is not a mere indication of preference, it is a resounding and unequivocal verdict in favor of Duke. Arguing that Chicago is better is like saying Ron Paul should be President even if he doesn’t win the popular vote. He appears to have all the credentials, but cant demonstrate tangible results. I apologize for the convoluted analogy but I’m assuming that you are able to comprehend the gist of the message.
I want to reiterate that I think Chicago is a great school, and I mean no disrespect. However, you really need to abandon your little flight of fancy.</p>
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Columbia is ranked higher in the college ranking.
Columbia is ranked higher for law.
Columbia is ranked higher for medicine.
Columbia is ranked higher in the NRC and AWRU rankings.
Columbia is noticeably more selective and prestigious.
Columbia has a larger endowment.
Columbia has better financial aid.
Columbia has a larger library. </p>
<p>I could keep going. How is UC the “next part of HYPSM”?</p>
<p>Phuriku and Happyman2:</p>
<p>Both of your arguments are getting to be ridiculous. Phuriku, you argue that Chicago students are “more passionate” than Duke students, and I have no idea how you can quantify or assert that. For someone with a history of making good analytical posts in the past, this borders on ludicrous. Happyman2, I’m not sure what McKinsey’s “diversity leaders” program tells us, as it seems as if plenty of great schools (like Princeton and Stanford) are left off the list.</p>
<p>Before people try to draw any more fine distinctions, Duke and UChicago are peers, and fit is the biggest factor to consider. Your opportunities will be roughly the same from either school, but the experience may vary quite a bit. That’s pretty much all there is to say.</p>
<p>One final note, Phuriku, why the heck are you so bullish about UChicago being a “HYPSM” level school in 5 years? How come UChicago has a better shot at this than, as others have said, Columbia, or maybe Penn? In 5 years, will UChicago’s endowment and fundraising match the tippy top schools, and will the school enjoy all of the resources and allure that the very top schools enjoy? Perhaps in admissions selectivity, in 5 years, UChicago might be closer, but there are a lot of other areas where UChicago will trail Stanford, Yale, etc. by quite a lot in 5 years. </p>
<p>Again, maybe I’m missing something. If other very ambitious schools with very comparable reputations (like Columbia) have fallen short, I have no idea why UChicago is going to close the gap in 5 years.</p>
<p>Totally agree with Happyman2. As I said before, Duke is a more or less bigger name than Columbia, Upenn, UChicago and some other peers, especially in east coast. Columbia, Upenn and Chicago caught up in last 4 or 5 years. UChicago has a lot of work to do to maintain its prestige. Duke’s reputation is not below any of its immediate peers.</p>
<p>I have extensive international connections both professionally and personally.</p>
<p>Regarding international reputation of US top schools, one of the reasons why schools like MIT and U Chicago consistently do better than the likes of Duke and even Stanford is because international opinion makers couldn’t care less about sports and other non-academic/research related extra curricula activities. In USNWR ranking, there is a plenty of room for things like sports to impact the ranking, NOT because USNWR has a sports ranking as an explicit scoring criterion, but because assessment from guidance counselors, general reputation, and what not do reflect the “name recognition factor” (it’s human nature. can’t avoid it).</p>
<p>On the other hand, international reputation is mostly built around academic reputation, international alumni network and their success, research activities, etc. Just my personal observation: on the international business/academic circle, U Chicago is considered to be more prestigious than Columbia. On par with MIT, just below Harvard. Above Columbia, UPenn. Lower Ivies and Duke are hardly ever mentioned. Caveat: my personal observation. Other people may have different observations.</p>
<p>david05 said: “As I said before, Duke is a more or less bigger name than Columbia, Upenn, UChicago and some other peers, especially in east coast. Columbia, Upenn and Chicago caught up in last 4 or 5 years.”</p>
<p>I have no idea if this is the case, I doubt it’s measurable, and I also doubt it matters. Columbia, UPenn, UChicago, and Duke all seem to be peers. Choosing one over another because it “has a bigger name” would be foolhardy. They are all great schools, and all acknowledged to be not quite tippy top (i.e. Harvard or Stanford) schools.</p>
<p>completely disagree with david05. I live in the east coast (mid atlantic and up). Duke hardly ever beats U Penn, and Columbia among parentss, guidance counselors,and students themselves. UChicago? Maybe or maybe not. Depending on which area you are talking about. </p>
<p>You need to modify your statement. Duke may outperform the other schools you mentioned in terms of mind share way below Mason Dixon line. But NOT in NJ/NY/MA/PA - which happens to have the highest concentration of high performing HS students gunning for top schools in the nation.</p>
<p>BTW: I do agree with Cue7. At the level of top 10 or 15 schools, the fit is far more important than whatever prestige factor one can conjure up in one’s mind. Though I did participate in this line of discussion (because I couldn’t pass up the opportunity since the statements were so far from my own observation), I believe discussion on the ranking difference, boasting, etc at the level of U Chicago, Duke, Penn, Columbia etc is becoming rather silly. </p>
<p>I know a Harvard kid who was miserable, transferred to a top liberal arts school (known to be tougher academically - to show you that it was not the academic rigor of Harvard that was the problem), and is very happy. Harvard was not a good fit for him. I don’t think his professional prospect is compromised because because of this (actually may even improve since his happiness may let him perform better in his classes), but he will remember his college years far more fondly. This, in my mind, is a very important factor.</p>
<p>There are kids who will be very happy at Chicago, but not at Duke. And there are kids who will be miserable at Chicago but would thrive in Duke. Then there are kids who would thrive in either place. Go with the fit.</p>
<p>Chicago is a great school, as great as these peers. I said Duke is a little bit in high ranking since the inception of USNWR. Take a look at the following numbers, USNWR from 1983 to 2007. I don’t have the numbers from 2008 to 2012, they are not difficult to obtain.</p>
<p>Year Duke Pennsylvania Columbia Chicago</p>
<p>1983 Not listed Not listed Not listed 6
1985 6 Not listed Not listed 5
1988 7 19 18 8
1989 12 15 8 10
1990 5 20 11 9
1991 7 13 10 11
1992 7 13 9 10
1993 7 14 10 9
1994 7 16 11 9
1995 6 12 9 10
1996 6 11 15 11
1997 4 13 11 12
1998 3 7 9 14
1999 6 6 10 14
2000 7 7 10 13
2001 8 6 10 10
2002 8 5 9 9
2003 4 4 10 12
2004 5 5 11 13
2005 5 4 9 14
2006 5 4 9 15
2007 8 7 9 9</p>
<p>Ave: 6.3 10.1 10.4 10.6</p>
<p>David05:</p>
<p>I’m not sure the differences in historical rank prove your previous statement, namely that
“As I said before, Duke is a more or less bigger name than Columbia, Upenn, UChicago and some other peers, especially in east coast.”</p>
<p>Also, I haven’t run the numbers, but I imagine if you include years 2008 - 2012, where duke remained in the 7-10 position, Penn remained in the 5-7 position, Columbia eventually jumped up to #4, and Chicago eventually jumped up to #5, the schools are even closer in terms of their historical rank.</p>
<p>Getting back to the original question, I would go with Emory if you win the full scholarship package. There are only a select few at Emory to receive a Goizueta award and I believe that this selectivity (as well as the extra attention you will receive at Emory as a recipient of this award from the administration and faculty alike) marking you as one of the elite 1% at Emory will look better on your resume than either Duke or Chicago without such an award </p>
<p>As for the academic debate, being a Duke grad I am a bit biased, but I agree that the two are peer schools, with Chicago ending up with the better ranking in academic circles and Duke among the general population. My son is applying to both this year, and I would be very happy if he attends either of them, although he likes Vanderbilt best, which is just fine with me). </p>
<p>I also think making such minute gradations is silly. In my view, there is HYP, MIT, Cal Tech and maybe Stanford (although on the east coast I am not to sure about this last one), then at the next level Duke and Chicago find themselves ranked among other great schools like Columbia, Penn, rest of Ivies, Williams, Amherst, Pomona etc. So, if you do choose between Duke and UC, go with fit and ask yourself do you want to attend a school with great weather but in a dumpy city or cold weather in a lively city. </p>
<p>Finally, you can major in almost anything and get into a prestigious MBA program so long as you take a few math classes. Good luck with your choices.</p>
<p>UChicago should have a better reputation than at least two thirds of USNWR top 20 universities, but its cross admit rates vs these schools for undergraduate don’t agree well. Is it due to the location and cold weather? </p>
<p>[College</a> Cross-Admit Comparison: University of Chicago vs Harvard University | Parchment - College admissions predictions.](<a href=“Compare Colleges: Side-by-side college comparisons | Parchment - College admissions predictions.”>Compare Colleges: Side-by-side college comparisons | Parchment - College admissions predictions.)</p>
<p>UniversityChicago_vs WinRateForChicago
Yale 10%
Upenn 11%
Harvard 15%
Stanford 20%
Princeton 22%
Columbia 25%
MIT 27%
Brown 31%
Duke 33%
Cornell 35%
DartmouthColl 38%
CalTech 40%
GeorgeTown 43%
Rice 45%
JohnsHOPKINS 54%
UCBerkeley 56%
Northwestern 59%
WUStL 67%
Vandy 67%
NotreDame 67%
Emory 72%
UmichAnnArbor 75%</p>
<p>Cue7 I completely agree with most of your assertions. It is foolish to nitpick over subtle differences between schools of this calibre. I have maintained that Chicago is an elite academic institution worthy of the laurels bestowed upon it, however I take umbrage at the condescending and high handed behavior of some insecure alumni. Chicago, Duke, Penn and Columbia are all peers at the undergraduate level, attending one over the other will not make or break an individual’s career. For that matter, I believe that the opportunities offered at all elite schools (top 10) are roughly equivalent, and individual success boils down to one’s willingness to avail of the opportunities being provided. I am glad that members of college confidential are starting to take a more conciliatory approach towards college preferences. This new approach is a far cry from the expletive laden posts of the past, and is testament to members’ new found maturity. I want to apologize if I have inadvertently offended anyone by my posts, my loyalty to my alma mater sometimes causes me to retort impulsively to slights of any kind (perceived or intended).</p>