<p>Okay, So I know I should have posted this in the "Other majors" thread, but seeing how this section is better, Im kinda cheating the system lol. So Heres me: I get Bs and B+s In Economics and Business respectively in high school (senior). MIIIght be able to pull off an A- In business by the time I graduate. The thing is, I want to major in economics (bad at math and graphs). Im going to college in my home country for the first year and then Im applying to ivies for transfer next year. I can pull off As this first year in both business and economics. Question: Will my college scores (1 year worth) off-set my Bs and B+s in highschool? Can I get into an ivy for economics this way????</p>
<p>If you are bad at math and graphs, you shouldn’t be majoring in economics because that is pretty much all economics is.</p>
<p>oh well. Thats what im doing anyway. I want to become an investment banker. I would rather be involved in risk assesment, consulting and all that. Its not all math related when you think about it.</p>
<p>Your gonna need a lot better than B’s to get into an Ivy.</p>
<p>Lobzz, based on what I read from your two threads:
You have said that you can handle arithmetic but not advanced math.
You have said that you are terrible with graphs.
High school econ/business classes are nothing like college level classes. High school econ/business classes are usually definition based and not a lot of conceptual thinking.</p>
<p>Based on what I read from your two threads, investment banking is not for you. Sorry for the discouragement. It’s not for you.</p>
<p>And Economics really is math/graphs related. Take it from people who are actually taking COLLEGE LEVEL Economics classes.</p>
<p>For I-banking, you have to be a pretty good analyst. And math/graphs are all about that stuff.</p>
<p>And why exactly do you want to go to a college in your home country and then transfer to an ivy league school?</p>
<p>The last question wasnt very smart, so I decided to leave it out.
I go to THE most prestiguous school in the middle east. Entirely numbers-driven (every grade we get is based on weekly-quizes/tests and exams. NOT 1% OF THE GRADE IS BASED ON ATTENDANCE/HOMEWORK etc.)</p>
<p>finally, I take AP Macroeconomics at school and not microeconomics. Id prefer the latter. So i guess i’ll just have to wait and see in college. Im definitely majoring in economics though.</p>
<p>Not 1% of your grade comes from attendance in American universities either, in fact I’m wondering how common it is for schools to give any kind of credit for just showing up in the middle east.</p>
<p>Also, I agree with others that economics is not for you. If you are bad at math and graphs, why would you choose the subject that is almost entirely math and graphs?</p>
<p>Lobzz, I’ve hired kids for 30 years for a major ibank and trust me, you do not need to be an economics major. Even more important, don’t major in anything you’re not great at and can’t get very high grades in. Unless your dad is a banker and you have incredible contacts, you’ll need very high grades to score a job. </p>
<p>You’ll also need to address your math issues. Strong math skills and the ability to read graphs are a very basic part of the job.</p>
<p>why bother even writing on a forum asking people for their advice on what you should do when clearly you dont care what the other people have written.</p>
<p>Every person in here has said if you dont have math skills then give up on investment banking. Also, everyone here says don’t major in ECON and you still don’t care.</p>
<p>Stop wasting other people’s time by asking for advice that you clearly are not even reading.</p>
<p>And you go to a Mid-East school, I have never even heard of anyone coming over here from Mid-East.</p>
<p>And openedskittles, I go to OSU and know people that go to Cincinnati, Toledo, Bowling Green State and a couple other colleges in Ohio and pretty much every class you get an attendance grade. The classes I have taken I get 5% just for attending class. At OSU and Cincinnati it is a little different since a good 1/3 of our classes have over 200 people in them so attendance really can’t be graded in those classes.</p>
<p>To reiterate on my point, I was merely asking about the types of schools I could get into if I did well for the first year in college, thats for starters. Second, yes hmom, now that youve brought it up, my father has a brief history with investment banking (EFG Hermes), so does my uncle (EFG hermes as well. but then he went to the world bank and now the IMF). Connections arent going to be a problem, trust me. I noticed that youve never ever been optimistic/nice to others in any way, hmom. Never. Im very sorry I asked for your advice, it was a choice I made and now I ask you to stop replying to any of my posts. Thank you for the advice. Anyone else want to barrage on this very interesting topic? I always knew that investment banking was a competitve job, but even on online forums??? Not good. This thread was made for guidance, not for you to deride my aspirations. If you have useful advice then you are welcome, otherwise, find some one else to splash your insecurities on.</p>
<p>There are several here I have be supportive of and have counseled into jobs. You on the other hand are totally dreaming. OK, I’ll respect your wishes and just reply this one last time.</p>
<p>You don’t have any chance at any ivy or an ibank job withough great friends in very high places, so use those connections any way you can. And getting the job is one thing, keeping it is a whole different story. I could get m kids jobs in banking today, but if they can’t get into NYU, here’s not much chance they’ll survive the banking competition.</p>
<p>Successful careers are not about asking mommyor daddyto make you a banker.</p>
<p>One year at a college in your country will not erase your high school performance or scores, which you yourself describe as uber low, and change the minds of the schools that told you no this year. Transferring into a top college is harder than getting in as a freshmen. And the students ibanks seek are the top students at the schools you didn’t get into.</p>
<p>Gong from not getting into NYU this year to getting into an ivy next year is as irrational as most that you write here.</p>
<p>If you want to ask for advice on public forums, be man enough to accept it. Your defensiveness and insecurity are not marks of a successful future businessman.</p>
<p>I could name, 4 or 5, maybe 6 people who transferred from the university im going to, to top schools because they werent that good when they applied the first time round. I think i’ll start with my own mother, who got into Harvard for sophmore year (didnt go because HER parents were conservative and didnt let her leave the country). My father went to this university and was an investment banker for a certain amount of time (im not going to start talking about salaries because thats would be a cheap-shot). Unless its impossible (highly doubt it is), I am going to apply to the schools I have in mind next year. Now, I appreciate the experience you have and thus I am sorry if my previous posts came off as a bit hostile. I was told to apply to schools next year, and if not, the year after. I would like to rephrase my previous “wish”. I would like it if you replied to my posts with helpful/slightly optimistic answers rather than responses that hinder my confidence and bring me down. Here are the things I do have and the things I dont have:</p>
<p>-Few connections in the states, but many in my country (i plan on getting more when I got to the states).</p>
<p>-Hopefully 3.8+GPA in college and 2000+ SAT</p>
<p>-I have a brilliant essay which is currently being reviewed by people in my uncle’s office.(Economics idea)</p>
<p>-My parents know the dean of the college im going to:)</p>
<p>Bad things:</p>
<p>-3.0 HS GPA
-1750 SAT</p>
<p>I guess my whole thing reading this is that your expectations are way to high.</p>
<p>You say you had a sub 3.0 GPA in high school and then you say you are expecting a 3.8 in college.</p>
<p>I will say I didn’t give it my all in high school, I was more concerned with getting out as quick as possible rather than having a 3.5 (which could have been attainable). Plus I didn’t want to go to a bigger school as a freshman so I chose to go to CC to explore my options a little bit and I am a Sophomore who has completed 100 credit hours and I have a 3.3 GPA in college.</p>
<p>So based on the way you are talking you tried hard and still couldn’t get a 3.0 in high school so HOW IN THE HELL do you expect to even have a 3.0 in college, let alone a 3.8. If your parents really do know a dean I am sure you will get in, but the chances of you doing well and getting a good job offer sound slim based on the info you have given us on your past.</p>
<p>I think you need to set your standards a little lower. I mean I know what I am and what I can do so that is why I am shooting for management in commercial banking and not being an associate at an I-Bank (it also doesn’t help that I want to see my family and not work 100 hours weeks).</p>
<p>Seems like you wouldn’t have a passion for investment banking and probably the only draw here for you is the money and potentially the power that goes along with a high-flying financial job like banking. I’m just not seeing it for you, especially with an attitude like yours. And why would you tell someone not to give you advice unless it was advice that made you feel all happy and optimistic inside? The best advice someone ever gives you is going to be negative. There’s nothing worse than a false sense of security.</p>
<p>"I go to THE most prestiguous school in the middle east. "</p>
<p>I went to one of THE MOST prestigious high school in the states, and a 3.0 here would give you a 20% chance of getting into an ivy, and with such a low SAT it wont, even if you are applying as transfer a year after. Most people with a 3.0 gpa here has at least 2100 SATS, and even then, 1 in 5 get in. Even here you need to get to the 3.3 mark, then 80% of the kids get into the lower ivies.</p>
<p>Lastly, you need thick skin to be a banker, or any business related industries, and clearly you dont</p>
<p>You, my friends, are making assumptions. I never said I tried my best in high school, Infact, I didnt really bother in highschool. We have 61 people in our class, I happen to fall in the mid range when it comes to rank. Over the past few years, our school has been a feeder to the college im going to this next year, and not one of the students has failed to impress/ falls anywhere below the 20% range in college.
I am the one going to that college next year, I know what I can and can not do. You, are in no position to tell me whether a 3.8 is feasable or not, simply because you dont know me. I havent given you enough information to make such assumptions, nor will I. Ever. Do I really have to start talking and bragging about connections and stuff, when, clearly, all I want to do is make a future for my own self and not with the help of connections (beyond the limit, that is)? For update, my dad got me and internship for this summer at an investment bank(just yesterday). According to you guys, it doesnt matter right? Im not going to have a future right? Im not cut out for this right? I wont be able to make into an ivy anyway right?.. Ive come to learn something on this site, people use it for their own personal gains, never to help people. People on here try to eleminate any sort of competition, any sort of potential. Sad.</p>
<p>okay take this for instance:</p>
<p>You know how, on the critical reading passages, they have assumptions and stuff and then they ask “what needs to happen in order for the author’s assumption to be proved wrong?”</p>
<p>Say, for instance (just for instance), I pull off good SAT scores on my next test, get good grades for my first semester/year in college, write amazing essays (you’d be surprised), get amazing recs and go through with my internship during this next summer. I didnt say anything was going to happen. But in investment banking, you tend to make use of certain theories, namely the game theory. What basically happens is, you apply the theory to a situation and a plethora of possibilities arise. you need to measure each possibilty equally. Dont speak until you know exactly what your speaking of, I always say. I think you dont know much about investment banking/ College or anything in the physical world we occupy for that matter, but hey, just MY two cents. But then again, Im willing to take the RISK.</p>
<p>Oh and I just saw you said something about taking a risk. It’s not a risk if you are too dumb to get anything started.</p>
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<p>Exactly my point. Work ethic is far more important than intelligence. Some people have it and some people don’t. Perhaps you can turn it up a notch but you will never be a top candidate. Good luck.</p>
<p>Work ethic IS more important than intelligence. I just chose not have any (work ethic, that is). And I meant *brand-new education. If your going to get at me for typos then your not even worth my time, you scrotum. Besides, your from Texas so I wouldnt even start anything (last “known” person from texas set the world on fire… little did he know, his fingers lit up with it). Back to Uxley (sounds like a tampon), you lost a couple of IQ points??? so what? your down to 68 now? I suggest we squash this before it starts to get ugly. I was wrong to consult hillbillies anyway.</p>