<p>Penn</a> sees rise in early decision apps | The Daily Pennsylvanian</p>
<p>Finally.</p>
<p>6% ain't bad (and it's better than Dartmouth or Yale) but does anyone have any idea why Duke's ED apps skyrocketed 32% this year?</p>
<p>Better than the 32% at duke. For us applicants</p>
<p>Does anyone know what percent of early applicants apply to which schools?..CAS, SAES, Wharton, etc?</p>
<p>Please respond if you know!!</p>
<p>There’s a thread called Penn CAS apps & selectivity. Check that for an idea (it’s ed and rd but the proportion would be similar)</p>
<p>Thank you, yes I had seen that but some schools post the distribution of applicants to each college. Although CAS is the biggest, for some reason I feel that a lot of ED applicants are to the specialty programs or to Wharton. I assume they apply ED for the most competitive schools to gain a slight edge…? Do you agree or do you think that CAS still has many more applicants in the ED round?</p>
<p>Bet it has about 2200ish. But most legacies and athletes are probably applying to Wharton. So it’s got 700ish spots (they fill half the class in the ed round minus 50 legacy/athletes)</p>
<p>Some urm’s too. </p>
<p>Speculating is worthless. Wait a week</p>
<p>It could be better, but then again it could be a lot worse than 6% so I’m content. Just one more week!</p>
<p>Ah I really hope Wharton apps don’t go up as much!</p>
<p>As hard as it is to accept for some of you, * this is a good thing *! Penn is becoming more selective - and hopefully more prestigious!</p>
<p>But I do empathize with your sentiments about getting in. I certainly hope that I can still get in!</p>
<p>ilovebagels: from what I can see, I think Duke’s 32% increase occurred because of Duke officials spending the recruiting season talking more about how “the acceptance rate is higher for early decision applicants.” If the admissions officers spread that message, I could see an extra 500 kids applying early, and bumping up ED apps by 1/3. </p>
<p>Look here for more info: [Early</a> Decision apps up 33 percent over last fall | The Chronicle](<a href=“http://dukechronicle.com/article/early-decision-apps-33-percent-over-last-fall]Early”>http://dukechronicle.com/article/early-decision-apps-33-percent-over-last-fall)</p>
<p>Moreover, as Duke continues to move past the Lacrosse incident, admissions numbers continue to rise. </p>
<p>This year, I think Duke and Univ of Chicago had the highest early app increases. Duke had a 32% increase from last year, and Chicago had a 54% increase in early apps from last year (a 32% increase from the then all-time high in 2007). For more info on Duke and Chicago, check here and here:</p>
<p>[Early</a> Decision Applications Up At Duke - Durham County - MyNC.com](<a href=“http://durhamcounty.mync.com/site/durhamcounty/news/story/43946/early-decision-applications-up-at-duke/]Early”>http://durhamcounty.mync.com/site/durhamcounty/news/story/43946/early-decision-applications-up-at-duke/)</p>
<p>[College</a> records significant increase in early-action applications | The University of Chicago](<a href=“http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1802]College”>http://news.uchicago.edu/news.php?asset_id=1802)</p>
<p>For Chicago, I think the move to the common app (this now being the 2nd year on the common app) helped a lot, and the new admissions dean is known for being a bit of a recruiting whiz. </p>
<p>UPenn had an increase after a few years of stagnancy. Why did the increase occur? Is Furda just getting better? The schools with the big increases tend to have a drastic change (i.e. Chicago going to the Common App, Duke changing its message to students and counselors, etc.), so maybe Furda and co. just recruited a bit harder this year?</p>
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<p>There are quite a few reasons, including, but not limited to:</p>
<p>(1) Increased recruiting, particularly in the Southeastern U.S. and California;
(2) Penn’s move to #4 in the USNWR rankings;
(3) And Penn’s more effective marketing, through person-to-person recruiting (as mentioned in Reason 1) and pamphlets. </p>
<p>Just the opinion of one person, though.</p>
<p>I do agree that more openly broadcasting that ED improves an applicant’s chances would likely result in an increase in applicants. A long-term plan that would also improve numbers in the ED round would be to improve Penn’s financial aid. If it can get on HYPS level, Penn is sitting in a nice situation.</p>
<p>For perspective: Penn claims (and I believe it) that it receives more ED applications than any other college. I don’t think any other college gets as many as 3,000 ED apps, although Brown and Columbia may be close to that. With Duke’s big increase this year, it went from 42% of Penn’s applications to 53%. Yawn. We can probably all accept the idea that Duke is at least half as attractive as Penn.</p>
<p>EA colleges generally get a lot more early applications, because EA is not binding on the student.</p>
<p>IRJunkie, your 3 reasons are absolutely valid. I, however, would like to add a fourth: there are so many applicants that solely applied for financial reasons. Penn is one of the best schools when it comes to financial grants. I know of a couple applicants who applied early just to optimize there chances of going to an Ivy for a relatively cheap price.</p>
<p>There is good news and bad news to the six percent increase:</p>
<p>THE BAD:</p>
<p>Penn plans to matriculate about 2500 freshmen each year (i believe last year it was 2430). They also want to accept 45% of the class from the ED pool. So Penn is planning on accepting around 1100 students Dec 11, more or less. That means the acceptance rate for ED is only going to be around 29% (prob a little less because they DP article mentioned more applicants coming from Questbridge). Don’t quote me on this, but usually the acceptance rate is around 33% (4% higher than my expected rate this year).</p>
<p>THE GOOD NEWS:</p>
<p>For Penn:
-the increase in applicants is going to result in a decrease of acceptances. Penn will become a more selective school. </p>
<p>For 2014 hopefuls:
-the DP article said the amount of applicants increased mostly in mass. and florida. I know penn does not have official quotas but I am sure those regions are going to be drastically more selective than they usually are. Although there is too little information to draw conclusions, there is a decent chance that other states/region’s acceptance rate will not be affected by the increase in applicants. We don’t know if NJ, PA, CA, or NY saw an increase in applicants. There is a chance, however slim, that those regions saw a decrease. Just a thought to preserve some optimism for non-mass or non-florida applicants.</p>
<p>NYU sometimes receives the most total undergrad apps of any school (last reported 37,245 vs. 22,935 for UPenn) and NYU’s Common Data Set says 2,994 ED apps were last received, but I can’t find UPenn’s CDS for comparison.</p>
<p>“(1) Increased recruiting, particularly in the Southeastern U.S. and California;”</p>
<p>Does this mean that Penn coaches recruited more athletes and more spots have been allowed for athletes to be accepted. </p>
<p>Or</p>
<p>Coaches recruited more athletes –> more competition for recruited athletes to get accepted due to more people competing for the same amount of spots?</p>
<p>guidance counselors are steering applicants away from Penn ED because of the known high admissions rates ED for legacies. They feel if you are not a legacy you have a better chance at Duke ED than Penn.</p>
<p>Brown’s ED applications skyrocketed by 21%.</p>
<p>NovaCorp, IRJunkie is referring not to athletic recruiting but to applicant recruiting. penn admissions travels around the country(and world) in order to recruit more applications.</p>
<p>vossron: NYU receives the most applications of any private school. Berkeley and UCLA both receive over 50,000 applications/year, and I suspect Texas is probably up there, too. Penn ED applications last year were ~3,600, so 20% more than NYU.</p>