<p>One ED I and one ED II. Two different things. People do it all the time. Has anyone been hit by lightening? Please cite. I know personally just this season 3 kids who’ve done it, I haven’t spoken to their counselors but I guess it wasn’t an issue for them. I assume their understanding is the same as most people’s: if accepted by EDI school, withdraw EDII app.</p>
<p>PG, I don’t think the colleges care about that at all. Kids decide last minute to apply ED 2 all the time. No extra points for committing earlier.</p>
<p>Rent of 2, ED1 and ED2 may be two different things but they shouldn’t overlap. It’s like being engaged to two people at the same time although you’ve got two different scheduled wedding dates. Sequentially, yes, kids frequently apply ED1 and ED2.</p>
<p>The common app ED agreement form which xiggi posted above makes this clear:“While pursuing admission under an Early Decision plan, students may apply to other institutions, but may have only one Early Decision application pending at
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<p>ED II is there to catch those ED I fall outs, otherwise they would just have ED and RD.</p>
<p>Well, I’d advise the OP to just check with her student’s counselor. If the counselor doesn’t see a problem with it, then they can decide. I do know kids who do it, have done it. Never been an issue. Unless it is specifically addressed in terms of the two distinct ED cycles (I and II), I would have no problem with it because logically they are not in conflict with each other. The only way the engagement analogy works is if the second fiance thinks they’re the first choice. Unless they were specifically told, “You’re my back-up fiance that’s why I’m calling you Fiance II” (which is what a student does when they apply EDII) then it isn’t applicable. </p>
<p>OMMV… that’s what makes the world go round, I suppose.</p>
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<p>EDI and EDII are NOT two different things. Both of them are Early Decision applications. If you need convincing, just check the agreements! </p>
<p>People do it all the time? Really? How are those people able to convince GCs to sign two ED applications and file them at the same time? Well, why stop there if it is that easy … why not file 5 or 6 of them. </p>
<p>As far as needing to “cite” I am not sure how relevant it is to count the people hit by lightning, but what is relevant is that you would have a hard time finding a school that accepts simultaneous ED applications. In fact, some schools do not even allow the combination of ED and EA (check Boston College.) </p>
<p>Fwiw, I never understood what drives people to find loopholes in any system and claim ignorance to justify bending the rules. People speed all the time on the highways. Not everyone is caught, but when caught they are invariably upset about the outcome. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, is it really so hard to sit on the completed application until December 15th, and then ask the GC to complete the EDII agreement, and thus preserve her or his own integrity!</p>
<p>Your argument about filing 5 or 6 would only track if there was ED I, II, III, IV, V and VI.</p>
<p>Just because someone interprets something differently than you do does not mean they are finding “loopholes.”</p>
<p>And yeah, people do submit ED I and II apps before ED I decisions are made. I know of people who’ve done it, and I read about kids doing here on CC regularly. Nothing wrong with it.</p>
<p>You maintain there is. Fine. Not everyone agrees with you. Life is funny that way.</p>
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<p>Colleges that use ED II didn’t just come in on a load of melons. They know that most students who file ED II applications do so because they got bad news from their ED I school, i.e., their first choice. The ED II school doesn’t care what the back story is, or that they were not the student’s top choice, as long as the student is ready to commit to them now.</p>
<p>It occurs to me that perhaps the reason the counselors of the kids I know evidently see no problem with this might also arise from the fact that the kids around here do not have access to the counselors between ED I decisions and ED II app deadlines. School is out.</p>
<p>But, mostly I think it’s because there is no conflict inherent since there’s only one EDI app, and any other outstanding apps are to be withdrawn if the student gets accepted.</p>
<p>So the ED II schools are still happy to get you at the ED II stage (since it’s a yield protection thing), than not at all (that is, in RD when they might still lose you). Got it.</p>
<p>So, then, logistically, is this an easy matter to do? Is it just a phone call or email to convert an RD to ED II?</p>
<p>Pizzagirl, from schools I’ve seen address this directly, yes, you can just make a phone call as long as you make it prior to the ED II app deadline. I would call admissions if I was you, though, before high school lets out for winter break to make sure of that. You wouldn’t want to be caught off-guard and not have access to your high school counselor to sign the ED II form.</p>
<p>rentof2, I have not seen students applying ED1 and ED2 at the same time “regularly” here on CC. I have seen many many students applying ED1 and ED1 sequentially. I do not think a college counselor would sign the second ED agreement before the result of the first ED was known.</p>
<p>re Post 29; PG, I know kids who have done exactly that.</p>
<p>jrpar, the year my son was applying ED there was a slew of 'em here on CC circling around that niche of T10 LACs. He did not apply ED II, but I found the topic interesting because we had considered that option.</p>
<p>I don’t see the issue because I don’t see the conflict.</p>
<p>You don’t just make a phone call, you would need to sign the ED agreement before you could switch from RD to ED II.</p>
<p>^^Correct. But all it takes is a call or e-mail to the regional rep to get things underway. The college is eager to get as many ED applicants as possible. I know several kids who have done this, and there has been no problem at all.</p>
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<p>Well, xiggi, you’re making the mistake of assuming that the GC is some kind of expert on this. I don’t expect my hs GC to have any clue, which is why I’m asking you guys.</p>
<p>If it was me, I’d just submit them the way you originally described. It depends on what you can reasonably do with whatever winter schedule conflicts you have, but if you really need to submit them simulataneously and you really want to cover your bases then just call the ED I and ED II colleges, explain the situation, and see if they have any issues with it. Or better yet, email them and save the reply if they say it’s okay. No one can argue with that. (I suspect it will be fine. :))</p>
<p>One more thought: Don’t underestimate the pain of rejection. Sometimes when the news from the ED I school is not good, the student decides it’s just too painful to risk another denial in the near term, and so the whole ED II idea flies out the window. That’s another good reason to file RD and convert to ED II, if warranted. Assuming it were legit to file ED I and ED II apps simultaneously (and I agree with Xiggi and jrpar that it’s not) it sounds far more uncomfortable to convert an ED II to an RD than the reverse.</p>
<p>The very fact that a person can apply ED II while an ED I is pending, and then either let it stand if the ED I is a no, or withdraw it with absolutely no harm to anyone if the ED I says yes (in fact the ED II get the extra few bucks), is all anyone needs to know. Everything else is a quibble and hypertechnicality. These schools are not Gods or the law that get to set all rules for decisions regarding application logistics. Ethically it would be wrong to do 2 or more ED I apps for obvious reasons. Similarly, it is perfectly ethical to do an ED II app while waiting for an ED I decision. The reason they don’t want people applying to more than one ED I is that the decision is supposed to be binding, and given the time frames involved one could easily create a conflicting result. Just because someone calls something ED II doesn’t make it a conflict. The time frames are different and therefore no conflicting result can occur. No one is damaged by the applicant submitting to both schools that way. Or let me phrase it another way. Those of you that are so adamant that submitting an ED II while an ED I is pending is a criminal offense: Explain to me how there is harm to anyone involved by doing this as long as the applicant withdraws the ED II if the ED I accepts them.</p>
<p>wjb - why would someone convert an ED II to a RD? That makes no sense to me. The student decides it is too painful to risk another rejection? Really?? That’s truly reaching.</p>
<p>^^Because the kid got rejected ED I and felt the pain. The kid decides to nurse wounds and wait it out till April rather than risk a second rejection right on top of the first rejection.</p>
<p>Or because the kid got deferred ED I to No. 1 Dream School and decides that’s a hopeful sign. Again, kid decides to wait it out.</p>