ED2: Vassar vs Hamilton

D is trying to decide upon her ED2 school.

Currently she is thinking about Vassar and Hamilton, both great schools. While the decisions is hers to make, I am trying get some input from the wisdom pool here on CC…

About D:
Downtown NYC girl, kinda hipster but not hardcore so. Strongest character trait is her emotional intelligence, a true ‘people person’, a ‘nice’ girl. Leaning towards psychology and perhaps becoming a child psychologist, maybe Sociology, maybe French minor - but is not so set on that path that it will be the defining factor of her choice of school. Creative and visual but not an artist. Might choose to work in the Fashion/cosmetics/style industries.

Hamilton Pros/Cons:

  • Loved the physical qualities of the school on the one tour she recently did: the dark side/ light side contrast of a traditional campus and a utopian retro campus, the size.
  • Liked the location. She is looking for a school that is a ‘bubble’, where people want to be at the school and form close knit community. However she owns zero polarfleece garments, does not hike or ski, and does no sports.
  • Liked the warmth and openness of the people, that they seemed honest and unpretentious without being too crunchy. Liked how SO many people said Hi to her tour guide when walking around campus.
  • Slight concern that shes very urban and most everyone she met seems to be from that stereotype of “just outside of Boston” or other suburbs. She’s very into style and she saw a few people she related to but a lot of prepsters too.
  • Liked the emphasis on sports as a campus school spirit activity. At the outside of her college search when asked what she was looking for in a school she said “Hipsters and Football”. (Her dad is from Alabama where college football is a religion; I worry that all schools she likes will not have as much of that as her fantasy.)
  • Not into huge parties. Yes thats at every college certainly but it felt more like that at Hamilton than Vassar.
  • Based on Naviance has a better chance of acceptance.

Vassar Pros/Cons:

  • Gorgeous campus, really she was blown away by it. Liked how refined it felt, there is a feminine vibe that she loved. Loved the library, food hall, and other common/study spaces. One of the few schools where the interiors were as nice as the exteriors.
  • Neutral about the location. Easy train back home to NYC. Does not care about the town either way. Really wants a bubble. Did not feel as much like she is going “away” to school, liked the isolation of Hamilton more as it felt more unique.
  • Overall felt less warm and optimistic than Hamilton; there’s a sense of protest and anger?
  • Misses watching sports being a social unifier. Not interested in being in plays or dance performances or a stagehand etc and that seems to be a big thing socially.
  • Felt that there are more people “like her” - visual, creative.
  • Seemed like there was less integration across the wide socioeconomic band socially, seemed to group more into have/have nots.
  • Less cute straight guys; didn’t feel like the dating had much potential.
  • Loved the academic quirkiness of the course offering, the outspoken nature of the students - felt more like her progressive high school.
  • Feels that if she decides to go into a ‘style’ based career there will be a better alumni network.
  • Based on Naviance it’s more of a reach, feels she needs the bump of ED if she is going to get in.

Any and all feedback appreciated!

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Great choices! I think your daughter can’t go wrong with either school; both are wonderful and both will offer opportunities and open doors (Vassar just today had a hedge-funding graduate named in Forbes 30 Under 30 and they have a Senior who recently won a Marshall Scholarship). I think your daughter should go Early for the one she felt/ feels more at home at. I would use that ED2- it can be very tough to get into selective LACs these days.

I can’t speak for Hamilton as I do not have any children there. But of Vassar I will say that my (straight) son who just finished his first semester at Vassar did not experience any protest/anger. There was one outside speaker invited to campus who was looking to stir things up (something about Charlottesville and hate speech being free speech), but I don’t think it really went anywhere. Some signs and backs turned? Vassar is not nearly as SJwarrior-y as people make it out to be. Vassar kids are really happy. Of course, they want the world to be a better place, but one can want that and be simultaneously happy. Also, our son has generous aid (we have 6 kids) and his roommate pays no tuition at all and neither feels like a “have not”. They both have friends from all socioeconomic backgrounds and from almost every state and country; I really don’t think money is the sort of thing Vassar kids focus on. Son loved going to hear Jason Blum speak about his film Get Out! after a screening. The fact that both Jason Blum and Lisa Kudrow are both on the Vassar board and the fact that Meryl Streep sent two of her own children to Vassar shows you how loyal alum are and how much they love their alma mater.

Vassar IS a bubble, but with easy access to one of the greatest cities in the world. My son’s biggest class this semester was 18 kids. He had lunch with his freshman advisor on more than one occasion and team dinners every week. The new dining center is great - son grew two inches this fall and, sadly, he won’t get fed that well here at home(?!) - and I cannot say enough good things about the new president, Elizabeth Bradley. If you get the chance, check out her Twitter. She is going to be great for the school. Vassar’s endowment is now over a million and growing. I fear I could go on and on!

I did not mean for this to turn into a Vassar advert; I am just so grateful for the opportunities my son is having and will continue to have in the future (check out Vassar’s Career Development webpage) and I don’t think there are a lot of Vassar voices on CC. I am sure that any Hamilton/ Colgate/ Davidson/ Colby/ Haverford etc. parent could shout out the same praise for their chosen schools.

I would tell your daughter to go with her gut! Fingers crossed for her!

@sixkids6 Thanks for the response. There are many vocal (and appreciated) voices for Hamilton and Bates on these boards but Vassar contingent seems quite silent. As of today (subject to the way teens change their minds) D is ‘definitely’ ED2 Vassar so its especially nice to hear positive thoughts! Fingers crossed too!

@sixkids6 Thanks for the response. There are many vocal (and appreciated) voices for Hamilton and Bates on these boards but Vassar contingent seems quite silent. As of today (subject to the way teens change their minds) D is ‘definitely’ ED2 Vassar so its especially nice to hear positive thoughts! Fingers crossed too!

I’m very glad to hear that your son is experiencing the Vassar that I know. @sixkids6

Well said! Could not agree more.

Not at all.
My D was a full-pay, but one of her best friends came from such extreme poverty that Vassar was generous enough to fund her lap top, books, etc. Other friends and self-selected roommates ranged from the very wealthy to Pell Grant students. Many visited our home during breaks and no one would have known by watching their interactions that there was a substantial socioeconomic disparity among them. Well, maybe one. His taste in exotic gourmet ice somewhat outed him :frowning:
All are doing exceedingly well post graduation. E.g., med school; highly ranked PhD programs; software engineers at prestigious companies; employed in the NYC theater; my D (CS major) is employed at a household name Calif tech company. I can go on…

@4junior. Best of luck to your D

lap top =laptop

It could be of interest to you that you can find these particular two schools adjacent to each other among only eight others included in a Forbes article, “10 Expensive Colleges Worth Every Penny”:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliesportelli/2017/04/26/10-expensive-colleges-worth-every-penny-2017/#4546bf915f6a

W.r.t. ROI…I’d like to believe that prospective students and parents ask a much more valuable question:

https://www.salon.com/2015/04/18/were_teaching_our_kids_wrong_steve_jobs_and_bill_gates_do_not_have_the_answers/

When my Ds were looking a colleges, the mission of the school was of far more importance than perceived ROI, which is at best a slippery number.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/education/at-vassar-a-focus-on-diversity-and-affordability-in-higher-education.html

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Having visited and researched both colleges, Vassar sounds more like your daughter’s fit but I sure she could be very happy at either great choice.

I am not sure about the ED 2 v RD strategy. This year has seen a glut of ED applications. Seems like there may be more deferrals than in previous years. Eg Michigan. Id be curious to hear whether others think ed 2 would make a difference.

I love both colleges! Both would have been ED2 considerations for my son had he not gotten into his (similar) ED1 school. My husband went to Vassar.

Your daughter sounds a little more “Vassar” to me, but I bet she would have a great time at either school! She really cannot go wrong here.

I will add some reassurance (maybe?) on the dating scene. Vassar is LBGTQ+ friendly, which is great, but it should not be assumed from that fact that it is any less comfortable for heterosexual students. My husband and his four closest friends from Vassar are all heterosexual men, three of whom met their future wives at Vassar! And this was many years ago. Today Vassar is much more popular and competitive among boys than it was then. A young cousin in his twenties went to Vassar more recently, and he and many of his friends were also male heterosexuals, as are some of my son’s friends who are applying to Vassar.

I may add that my husband and one of his friends majored in psychology at Vassar. My husband is now a clinical psychologist, and his friend is a college professor of psychology. They both loved the department.

Vassar has the hipsters for your daughter, but no football team! Hamilton has football. Hamilton’s “dark side” stereotype includes hipsters as well. There seems to be a good mix of kids at Hamilton, but I think that is true at Vassar as well, although Vassar may lean a bit more artsy overall.

I think both schools are friendly. Hamilton was really remarkable for the friendly feel, and seemed like such a special place! And students and alumni on this site are super loyal to it.

But every student I know who went or currently goes to Vassar absolutely loves it and has made great friends there. It seemed to me as well that Vassar is a bit edgier, and protests are part of the experience there… although, as one poster pointed out, that does not mean that these overwhelm the experience nor that everyone participates in them.

Vassar does not have fraternities, and Hamilton does.

One thing I liked about both Vassar and Williams is that the social scene was not stratified or divided. Everyone is combined into dorms designed to be microcosms of the entire community. But the potential exclusivity of Greek life seems to be mitigated at Hamilton by the fact that frats are nonresidential.

Two great choices! Good luck to your daughter.

@curiouspup The way it was described to me is that it really depends on your HS. If you are in a large HS or one with a wide dispersion of where people apply it is less important than if you are at a smaller school or one where the list of applied to schools is small. For instance D is at a school where about 45% of the class will apply to 3 “tippy-top” schools. The vast majority of those kids will be deferred and therefore they will not ED2 - they will go straight into the RD pool. So, if you are a less-than-ivy applicant to a school RD you will be surrounded by super qualified ivy level applicants (as colleges read by school or district most of the time). That can put a qualified but not top applicant at a disadvantage. D had a few schools that she was ‘ED’ level interested in. CC told D she would be giving up a big advantage if she choose not to ED2 and that a school she is virtually assured of getting in on ED2 would be a ‘coin toss’ in RD. On the other hand if you are in a situation where not that many apply to the same schools, or if you are at the top of that pool, then you are fine skipping ED2.

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@curiouspup To clarify, the school I stated as being “virtually assured” is neither Hamilton or Vassar, but a school she expressed interest in earlier that CC would love her to ED2. I just don’t want people to think I am that cocky to think that of either of these schools…!

@4junior thanks! That makes sense.

Just for future reference if people read this thread later, Vassar endowment is now over $1.0 billion, not million (See #1 response from @sixkids6 above).