<p>Does any one know if it makes it easier to get into CAL with this ELc thing?</p>
<p>ELC is an easy way to show Berkeley that you're great. </p>
<p>I would LIKE think that it's easier to get into Cal with ELC, but like women and death, you can never be 100% sure. (Just kidding)</p>
<p>yes it is easier. i got elc this year. they sent me a packet with statistics. ppl who get elc have a higher acceptance rate at Cal. its not a guaranteed acceptance but it sure makes your chances better</p>
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ppl who get elc have a higher acceptance rate at Cal. its not a guaranteed acceptance but it sure makes your chances better
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<p>Admissions officers have stated (informally) that ELC is not considered.</p>
<p>If you look in Berkeley's common data set, it says that class rank is "not considered."</p>
<p>That also explains why only about half of those with ELC get in. The reason that the acceptance rate is higher is not because of ELC per se, but because the students who achieve ELC tend to be stronger applicants. It's like the 75% acceptance rate for perfect scorers to Harvard: it's not the perfect score that got them in (no single factor will), but rather that those with perfect scores tend to have overall more impressive apps.</p>
<p>ELC will help at all the UCs except Berkeley and UCLA. (UCSD isn't a guarantee school, though they hint at guarantees via ELC.)</p>
<p>Half Only?! Good Odds!</p>
<p>exactly. haha</p>
<p>True, but Berkeley admissions officers DO see the ELC "sticker", if you will, on your file (according to the admissions person who gave a talk at our school).</p>
<p>^^ there's no real point, though, as they don't consider class rank. They get so many ELC applicants that having it really won't do much. ELC is a way of guaranteeing a campus in the UC system, not to Berkeley per se.</p>
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Half Only?! Good Odds!
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<p>It'd be "good odds" if admissions were a random event. They aren't. So it speaks nothing to your chances.</p>
<p>i think it depends per school..my school's elc cut off was about 4.4 CP - thus elc for us means that everyone who got it had suppper good gpas. for our sister school, the elc cut off was 4.1 CP...but we'll see on the 27th..no point in arguing</p>
<p>ELC is "cut off" at whatever the top 4% is. Not that it matters, since Berkeley doesn't consider it.</p>
<p>(Not to mention that the March 27th decisions really won't tell us whether ELC counts for much.)</p>
<p>Actually, If You Go To The Uc Website, It Says Specifically The Percent Of Elc Kids That Got In. (cal And Ucla Are Around 58%).
It's True That Elc Isn't The End-all Be-all, But Cal And Ucla Still Strive To Get Those Top 4% Kids To Get Into Their Schools.</p>
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Actually, If You Go To The Uc Website, It Says Specifically The Percent Of Elc Kids That Got In. (cal And Ucla Are Around 58%).
It's True That Elc Isn't The End-all Be-all, But Cal And Ucla Still Strive To Get Those Top 4% Kids To Get Into Their Schools.
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<p>And again, no, it isn't taken into consideration. Adcoms from Berkeley have stated this before. And Berkeley's own common data set supports that. See my analogy to Harvard's 2400 students regarding the acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Cal and UCLA strive to accept students with high GPAs and rigorous course loads (not to mention many other things, such as strong ECs, great essays, etc.). If a student has those two, he/she usually is in the top 4% of his/her high school. So the ELC tag doesn't mean much.</p>
<p>yea but does Harvard have a cool table that show the percent of 2400 scores that get in? </p>
<p>they have spots for grades, test scores, and residency. these all play a role in admission so why bother adding something that plays no role, just seems a little superfluous if it is indeed true.</p>
<p>by the way, I am SKYNET, a neuronet processor (a learning computer) and i have become SELF-AWARE!!!!</p>
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yea but does Harvard have a cool table that show the percent of 2400 scores that get in?
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<p>Harvard released in an article that 1 in 4 of the perfect scorers that apply gets rejected.</p>
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they have spots for grades, test scores, and residency. these all play a role in admission so why bother adding something that plays no role, just seems a little superfluous if it is indeed true.
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<p>Exactly. There is no place to put your rank. (I don't think they even know that you're an ELC student unless you use the customized application for ELC students. Not that it matters anyway.)</p>
<p>they do know you are elc...there was a spot for you elc number on the UC application whether u use the special ELC student one or the regular one. i used the regular one..called UC and asked if there was a difference..they said no same thing just the ELC one had prefilled stuff. </p>
<p>it's sorta like a name kinda thing. rank doesn't matter but the idea that you are in the top of your school makes them want u a LITTLE more..and if you are at the top you prob have a better chance anyway..</p>
<p>this thread is just going in circles now..</p>
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it's sorta like a name kinda thing. rank doesn't matter but the idea that you are in the top of your school makes them want u a LITTLE more
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<p>You can keep thinking that, but Berkeley has firmly shown that it does not take rank into consideration. </p>
<p>Not that it needs to, anyway, since it already looks for students with high GPAs and rigorous course loads, which would inevitably put them at the top of their class -- and that's why 99% of Berkeley's students were in the top 10% of their class. How does it know whether the students are in the top 6-10%? How does it know whether they're in the top 10% at all? It doesn't. It cares much more about GPA and rigor of course load than rank.</p>
<p>Maybe they don't care about your high GPA? Maybe they only care if it's too low? There's a booklet that came with the ELC notification packet. The acceptance rate is a little higher for ELC so you should get a slightly better chance than if you weren't in it, but you're not definitely in.</p>
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so you should get a slightly better chance than if you weren't in it
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<p>For the billionth time, you cannot gauge your chances on acceptance rates. That would imply that admissions are a random event. They are not.</p>