<p>You said they were as good, and I showed that they weren’t. The fact that you’re now trying to argue grammatical inconsistencies just shows that you need to win some argument no matter what it is.</p>
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<p>again, show us where you proved that UCD, Colorado Boulder and RPI enginnering were NOT at the same level as UCSB engineering because UCSB was better.</p>
<p>you can’t because you never proved this…</p>
<p>and for purposes of the original discussion, all of these four are better than CalPolySLO for engineering.</p>
<p>I agree with Osaka Dad. Importantly, Cal Poly Pomona alumni do well in the job market. Also, once again we see how foolish rankings can be when students should instead consider what’s the best fit for them. I’ve been on the campuses of both Renssalear Polytechnic Institute and Worcester Polytechnic Institute. I’ve met students from each school. Both schools are top-shelf.</p>
<p>I might want to go to UCSB. I mean it doesn’t seem that terrible at EE and can be comparable to CPP. Also the campus is nice and right next to the ocean.</p>
<p>I mean you can only be a freshman in college once right? So I want to make the best of it!</p>
<p>“UCD, Boulder, and RPI are not as good as UCSB.”</p>
<p>This is quite a stretch. With a 25th - 75th percentile SAT of 1280 - 1450/1600, R.P.I. can match Cal Berkeley in student quality. The other UC’s can’t. Also it seems odd that a school that’s not
as good as UCSB can be listed as a peer school to Carnegie Mellon: </p>
<p>CMU’s official peer institutions from their website
Peer Institutions-Institutional Research & Analysis - Carnegie Mellon University</p>
<p>California Institute of Technology
Cornell University
Duke University
Emory University
Georgia Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Northwestern University
Princeton University
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Rice University
Stanford University
University of Pennsylvania
Washington University in St. Louis </p>
<p>R.P.I. is a better engineering school than all of the UC’s except Berkeley.</p>
<p>Lady seems to want to spend her time on CC arguing this school is better than that. There is no sense in trying to convince someone that already thinks a UC automatically is better than a Polytech.</p>
<p>Employers and past students (many which you can find in the CC archives) clearly state that CalPolySLO is on par and in many cases exceeds many University engineering departments.</p>
<p>Instead of arguing fruitless subjective judgment of the standing of any engineering programs, a quantitative approach might be in order.</p>
<p>I think one of the best judge of the “quality” of any engineering program, along with other professional degree programs (MBA, Law, Accounting, etc.) is the market place. Corporations are presumed to be mostly rational over the long term, and they supposed to pay what things are worth. </p>
<p>Cal Poly SLO’s graduates’ mid-career and starting salary are some of the highest amongst ALL public universities in the US. CP has the third highest mid-career salary and only bested by UVA and Cal, and it also boast the highest starting salary of all public California universities, this includes both the university of California and Cal state systems. </p>
<p>I already read many CC counter arguments to this logic is that Cal Poly SLO is mostly an engineering school. My rebuttal to that is many northeast liberal art colleges’ graduates consistently out earn, by a large margin, many big engineering/tech schools all over the US. So whether a school is liberal arts or engineering heavy is secondary to the perceived quality of the program by the market place. </p>
<p>So if UCI, UCD, UCSB are solidly ahead of Cal Poly SLO, I assert that it would be validated by the market place.</p>
<p>@fermium, recruiters seem to support your view …</p>
<p>[School</a> Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ.com](<a href=“School Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ”>School Rankings by College Major – Job Recruiter Top Picks - WSJ)</p>
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<p>It does mean that average pay comparisons using the entire schools are not very relevant compared to those done by major. It is rather unlikely that Cal Poly’s excellence in engineering will be of any help (job and career wise) to someone who majors in English, history, or biology at Cal Poly. But the fact that there are relatively few of the latter means that they are not dragging down Cal Poly’s campuswide average pay numbers.</p>
<p>Here is [Cal</a> Poly’s career survey](<a href=“http://www.careerservices.calpoly.edu/students/career_planning/gsr.htm]Cal”>http://www.careerservices.calpoly.edu/students/career_planning/gsr.htm).</p>
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<p>Irrelevant false accusations not pertinent to the subject at hand ultimately displays the weakness of your argument.</p>
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<p>fermium, I am sorry but this is a UCSB engineering v. CalPoly Pomona engineering thread</p>
<p>why are you bringing up CalPoly SLO?</p>
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<p>but angryengineer, all I did was post the link to your posted messages. Are you saying that someone somehow hijacked your alias and posted those messages instead of you?</p>
<p>I don’t discount your logic entirely. You have a point, but a limited one.</p>
<p>My counter argument is VT, GA tech, and countless hosts of other very very tech heavy and liberal arts light universities don’t even come close to what the numerous Northeast/Southern California LACs earn. </p>
<p>In another words, in general, liberal arts majors do not necessarily drag down the average of most universities’ graduate earning power as much as common sense would dictate. Case in point, Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Princeton, (big LACs) solidly beat Caltech, MIT (Big Tech) in earnings year after year.</p>
<p>I didn’t bring up Cal Poly SLO first obviously. You and the other dude did over the last zillion posts, and I am just adding my own 2 cent. CPSLO is clearly out of context in this thread by your own admission.</p>
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<p>‘but’ is a conjunction used in the context of your statement as a rationalization. The following sarcasm is not only unbecoming but another reasonable indicator of the weaker position in your argument. </p>
<p>As far as that post goes, there is no where that I claimed that engineers were better than accountants. I mentioned ideological differences and merely that is was not for me. </p>
<p>In relation to this post I would say that SLO is stronger in engineering than Ponoma based upon the versatility of what they offer. Ponoma used to be considered the stronger business school but SLO’s business college is excellent. </p>
<p>■Cal Poly Pomona is tied for 15th in the nation for top undergraduate programs in engineering amongst all private and public schools. 2010 </p>
<p>■Cal Poly Pomona is 9th overall in the nation for top Civil Engineering undergraduate programs. 2006</p>
<p>■Cal Poly Pomona is 13th overall in the nation for top Electrical Engineering undergraduate programs. 6th if only counting public universities 2006</p>
<p>■Cal Poly Pomona is 15th overall in the nation for top Mechanical Engineering undergraduate programs. 5th if only counting public universities 2006</p>
<p>IMHO Not too shabby</p>
<p>[Top</a> US Colleges ? Graduate Salary Statistics](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp]Top”>http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp)</p>
<p>As far as pay goes, this is how mentioned schools in this thread rank against cal poly pomona in order of highest to lowest:</p>
<p>Cal Poly SLO: ($55,000 starting, $99,200 mid-career)
UCSB: ($47,600 starting, $96,400 mid-career)
Cal Poly Pomona: ($48,500 starting, $93,300 mid-career)
UCI: ($45,900 starting, $92,500 mid-career)
University of Colorado - Boulder: ($46,200 starting, $91,600 mid-career)</p>
<p>Also note that Cal Poly Pomona ranks higher than 6 UC schools, which are: UCI, UCLA, UCD, UCR, UCSC, and UCM. </p>
<p>The argument of “Cal Poly Pomona is primarily engineering” doesn’t cut it because if you look on that list, there are plenty of liberal arts colleges that rank higher than primarily-engineering colleges. Also note that Harvey Mudd is higher than MIT which most of you said was “inferior” because it doesn’t offer a phD like MIT does.</p>
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<p>now why would you post such false statements as these?</p>
<p>you know very well that your rankings are for colleges and universities that don’t offer PhD’s, which is the same as saying that a minor league baseball team is ranked high compared to the Major League baseball teams because it is ranked high among the other minor league teams…</p>
<p>In reality, these rankings interpret into a ranking of about no better than 50-60th in the overall engineering rankings of schools that offer PhD’s…</p>
<p>get real here buddy. do you really think that the people that read the posted messages in this thread are that naive?</p>
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<p>Then why do Harvey Mudd grads (doesn’t offer phD) get paid more than MIT grads (offers phD)?
Not only that but that “minor league” non-phD school Harvey Mudd has the highest salary out of ALL of the so-called “major league” schools.
So clearly, something must be wrong with your reasoning.</p>
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<p>The answer to your questions is self-Explanatory. See below. And if you don’t understand that the best and the brightest go on to get graduate degrees, then you are helpless.*</p>
<p>[PayScale</a> College Salary Report Methodology](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/salary-report.asp]PayScale”>http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/salary-report.asp)</p>
<p>Methodology Overview</p>
<p>Data Set Characteristics:</p>
<p>All data used to produce PayScale’s Education Package were collected from employees who successfully completed PayScale’s employee survey.</p>
<p>Bachelors Only: **Only employees who possess a Bachelor’s Degree and no higher degrees are included. This means Bachelor graduates who go on to earn a Master’s degree, MBA, MD, JD, PhD, or other advanced degree are not included.</p>
<p>For some highly selective schools, graduates with degrees higher than a bachelor’s degree can represent a significant fraction of all graduates.</p>
<p>Careers that require advanced degrees, such as law or medicine, are not included***</p>
<p>And that means the undergrads of Harvey Mudd > the undergrads of MIT. And who’s to say graduates from non-phD schools don’t get graduate degrees?</p>