Emory vs WUSTL? What's Atlanta and St. Louis like?

Emory is a Division III school (no football team) and much more arts centered due to Emory’s Schwartz Performing Arts Center (many international artists appear there) and the Carlos Museum. My D played in Emory’s orchestra and they can get $10 seats to the Atlanta Symphony and major artists coming to Schwartz.

Greek life is maybe 30% (lower than many southern schools) but my D wasn’t interested. At end of freshman year she fell out with a group of friends but sophomore fall she got involved in other activities, made new friends and has been fine. Junior year she spent a semester abroad in Spain (Emory has a campus center at Univ. of Salamanca.). 22 Emory students were there when she went, so they felt like a family and went on excursions together.

Both the Spanish and Creative Writing depts. are strong at Emory (D is a double major in both.) Emory requires that every student take some writing courses as part of their core curriculum. The culture isn’t super nerdy or intellectual like U. Chicago. Frankly, if someone is pre-med and another university hasn’t heard of Emory U (the CDC on campus is world famous) I would be concerned about that school.

@LushLillies, I noticed you also have national writing awards. My younger son applied to WUSTL with stats similar to yours, a 99% SAT and SAT2 (scores ranged from 760-800). His GPA was also similar to yours, and just out of the top 10%. He had a number of national writing awards and applied for WUSTL’s writing merit award, but not its half/full merit because he thought his GPA wasn’t high enough for those scholarships. He was accepted and a finalist for the writing award. WUSTL accepts the merit ppl early and flies them out for the scholarship weekend for interviews. He declined bc he also applied to tufts ED2 and was accepted the same day that he heard from WUSTL. (He had been weighing converting his Tufts application to RD because, about 3 weeks before, he also was accepted to the University of Southern California (USC) as a full merit finalist, and then seriously weighed each of his options as if he had already been accepted to all, and realized he wanted Tufts above all others, so he kept his application ED2.)

You are allowed to apply for multiple scholarships at WUSTL, and should. Must definitely apply for the writing scholarship, although it’s a minuscule amount of funding, but it does demonstrate interest and it will allow you to catch the eye of the woman who runs the creative writing program, which may help with admissions. She was very kind to my son. After he declined the offer, she wrote a nice email wishing him luck at tufts but also saying he’d always have a place at WUSTL if things didn’t work out.

I’d also suggest you apply to USC if you’re looking for big merit money. It doesn’t require another application, as it does at WUSTL. You just need to apply by an earlier deadline, which in my son’s year was either end of November or Dec 1. Can’t remember, exactly.

Honestly, we were shocked he got nominated for these awards bc we thought his GPA (an A- in a rigorous schedule) would tank him. But his 2260 SAT, 3 SAT2s (760-800), plus national awards, and a good app apparently won over the admissions ppl. My oldest son, who had slighter higher SATs and slightly higher GPA, plus research at Rockefeller University, applied for the science merit at WUSTL, and didn’t get it. His only merit awards came from UPitt and URochester, but he was also accepted to uchicago, UPenn, and brown, and attended the latter. So kids who get into Ivies may not win a WUSTL merit award. It’s that competitive. He also applied to the Emory merit award (his college counselor at his private high school nominated him, which is required), and he didn’t get an interview for that, either. But good news is that he ended up at his top choice (he had applied to brown ED and was deferred). Admissions and merit scholarships are tough at this level. I have a feeling that my younger son got the merit nominations at WUSTL and USC because besides his high standardized testing, he presented as someone the schools were looking for: a male intending to major in English. He filled a niche.

Finally, if you’re interested in Penn, reach out to the woman who recruits creative writers for their Kelly House writing program. She was recruiting my younger son, and we even got a private tour of Penn and Kelly House. Penn, like all Ivies, doesn’t offer merit money, but unlike any school I’m aware of, they actively recruit creative writing students who have won national awards. They recruit them for admission just as Penn recruits athletes. It’s a great program but unfortunately, my son didn’t like the school as much as he liked WUSTL, tufts and brown, which were his top 3 choices in the end. With your stats, I think you’d have a shot there.

Sorry for the two typos I’ve noticed above. Tried to edit but having a hard time getting the app to work on my iPhone.

@LushLillies I am originally from NJ and I have visited the WUSTL campus once and nearby environs a few times because my husband has family in the area. I can’t imagine that you’d experience culture shock there. Other posters have already described the residential areas, the Delmar Loop, Forest Park, and the access to the city via Metrolink. It reminded me a bit of Bergen County or some of the more upscale towns in Union County, if you’re familiar with those areas. While the immediate area might be somewhat more politically conservative than where you are from, your primary reference point will be the population on campus. Also, WUSTL attracts a LOT of students from the mid-Atlantic states, especially NJ/NY.

It’s a lovely campus with no internal barriers to switch majors (for example, you won’t get shut out of engineering or CS if you have a change of heart). The students are intellectually capable and the student culture is said to be collaborative. There is a substantial but not overwhelming Greek presence. The dorms are modern and well appointed and the dining hall is phenomenal.

If you are interested, do demonstrate interest as much as is possible. Apply for merit scholarships. And know that it is now sufficiently competitive that it’s really a reach for everybody. I know plenty of excellent students who were turned down. And I know of superb students who got in but did not make the cut for merit scholarships. If you are sure that WUSTL is your first choice, your chances will improve if you apply ED.

I can’t speak to Emory or Atlanta because I don’t know much about either.

I am a St. Louis transplant, having lived here almost 20 years. I drive by the WashU (its actual nickname) several times a week, visit campus every so often, and attend church in the immediate area. My kids are approaching college age and WashU would be on their lists but for the fact that I am insisting they leave town for college.

WashU straddles the western border of the City of St. Louis, with most of campus in St. Louis County (the city and county divorced in the late 19th century, something progressives have been trying to undo for 20+ years). The City only has about 300,000 people, while the County is about 1.1 million, with another chunk of people even further west in St. Charles County. WashU is technically autonomous from the city of Clayton, which otherwise surrounds the campus, with the suburb of University City (U City for short) just to north of campus. Clayton is the richest zip code of St. Louis metro area, as well as hosting the St. Louis County state courts and having its own vibrant downtown separate from the true “downtown St. Louis” area which is about 10 miles east near the riverfront in the City. (There is also a pseudo-downtown type area in mid-St. Louis City near the campus of St. Louis University–a Jesuit college–which includes much of what is the arts district of the symphony, the Fox Theatre, and other venues.)

Just north of WashU campus are some older and prestigious/historic neighborhoods of U City, then just north of that an area called the “Loop” which is the hipster restaurant and funky store area. Just north of the Loop USED to be some sketchy apartment housing that worried people (too much, IMHO), but about 15 years ago WashU began an aggressive program of buying up these properties and converting them to student housing block by block. It was quite controversial, but money talks and WashU has money and so much influence that they basically get whatever they want in St. Louis. The Loop still causes angst in some about petty crime, but is perfectly safe (lots of lighting and designated parking areas) around there relative to any other similar area you will find anywhere else in the country. U City as a whole is basically Clayton-lite (you can’t tell it and Clayton apart, and the U City housing actually appears nicer and more historic) in its southern half, and far more diverse and economically challenged in its northern half. Clayton and south U City are some of the most beautiful neighborhoods in any city, perfectly safe, and very walkable, etc.

Across from WashU campus inside of the City of St Louis is Forest Park, which will likely be important to you as a WashU student. Forest Park is almost twice the size of Central Park in NYC, and houses the Zoo, Art Museum, the History Museum, the Science Center (and planetarium), an outdoor municipal theater (the Muni), a golf course or two, and extensive other facilities. Everything is free (except golf) because the metro area has a sales tax which supports the parks and arts. Busch Stadium (Cardinals) and Scottrade Center (Blues hockey) are in downtown St Louis, about 10 miles or maybe 10 minutes on Metrolink train. Metrolink is fine except very late at night (when essentially empty)and going over to East St Louis (also late and when empty).

The crime and race problems in St Louis are somewhat misunderstood outside the region. Ferguson is an inner-ring suburb that borders the City of St Louis about 10 miles north of WashU. It is near the University of Missouri St Louis (about 15,000 students) and has many lovely homes and an historic downtown of sorts. No one ever mentions these details. BUT, Ferguson and much of north St Louis County, along with north St Louis City, suffer from the effects of “white flight” in the 1960s and 70s combined with the collapse of manufacturing jobs in the St Louis area (a huge topic in its own right). Racism and loss of blue collar jobs has left some severe socio-economic problems. About 3/4 of the violent crime in the metro area is concentrated in north City and north St Louis County, with most of the remainder in the mixed-neighborhood areas of south St Louis City. Crime and associated problems are negligible in central and west St Louis County and the nice areas anywhere near WashU. That sort of dichotomy is a big part of the anger underlying the protest movements started here.

As a New Yorker with one son in St. Louis and the other in Atlanta, I can tell you there is no culture shock with either city or either school. And even if there was, so what. Enjoy it.

@PiccoloMom1995 whoa no football team is actually a plus for me! I’d much rather see a dance show or musical or go to the city and see a performance than watch a sports game…too much alcohol and craziness for me. And the arts thing is good as well since I play the viola and piano, would love to continue in college but not at a crazy level. :slight_smile:

@prezbucky thank you! that’s funny that not a single one of the schools you listed are on mine lol ! I had Tufts originally but on visit I just could not deal with the campus aesthetics, oops. I also heard CMU is very difficult pre-med…and Georgetown when I visited I could tell that their med students were not their focus at all although DC is a beautiful city. And unfortunately Texas and CA are a bit far! But thank you. I will put WashU and Emory under Low Reach on my list and confirm with my GC :slight_smile:

If one becomes your firm #1, you might consider ED. That would likely boost your chances a good little bit, putting both into high match territory probably.

Make sure you are also developing a list of a few solid matches and st least one safety.

Every school you apply to should be one that fits you and which you can afford without too much debt (if any).

@BooBooBear wow thank you so much for writing such a comprehensive post! whoops, I thought I saw WUSTL somewhere…but I’ve seen WashU more often (although I still get confused with University of Washington although that’s actually UW…)! I’m glad that safety is not a concern and that there’s quite a lot to do nearby.

I think I will definitely put it on my list for next year, although I would probably not put it as my 1st choice since although St. Louis sounds amazing, my #1 choices of city would be NYC, Boston, or Chicago.

Thank you to everyone who responded! Looks like, unless I hear some bad things about either school, they will both be on my list for next year for the RD round :slight_smile:

@LushLillies if you can visit both, please do.

You will see for yourself that Atlanta and St. Louis won’t win any public transportation awards.

I am an East Coast native (MA) living near St. Louis. Pm me if you want my take on Wash U and the area.