<p>^^^ Even though my numbers may have been a couple of years old, it still doesn’t change the fact that only 44 percent of Emory’s students came from the south, the majority of students at Emory are from other regions. As a result, Mcat2’s theory still doesn’t hold.</p>
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College00701, I think you should stay put if you are already successful in your current environment. Every school would produce some successful students/applicants every year. As long as you are among those successful students from your school, it does not matter.</p>
<p>BTW, if my memory serves me well, I think “Emory Medical School” is in the list of schools DS applies to. (I really can’t remember all the schools he applies to when the number of schools is more than 20.)</p>
<p>Somewhat related: I heard Rice has been trying to increase the number of students from other states. A few years ago, a little bit less than (or a little bit more than?) 50% of Rice students are in-state.</p>
<p>Do any of you know if Rice has a stats sheet like those of Cornell and Emory? Emory’s really low MCAT scores are really deterring me, especially when the MCAT can make up for a lower GPA while the opposite isn’t as true. So I think if I can go to a school that pumps out a lot of high MCAT scores, but in turn I get a lower GPA that might be a good trade off.</p>
<p>These are some of the schools I’m considering, so if you know if any stats are published for them could you post them on here pls.? (links, etc.):
H,Y, Dartmouth, UPenn, Rice, UMich (Ann Arbor), UT(Austin)…and maybe if you all know a school that is known for having students apply with really high MCAT scores pls. post.</p>
<p>Another possible explanation for Emory lower-than-expected MCAT scores and med school acceptance rates despite its high undergrad acceptance standards may be partially because of its feeder 2-year Oxford Campus. Oxford students statistically had SIGNIFICANTLY lower SATs and GPAs in high school than Emory College accepted students, and thus their inferior academic performance would be expected to carry on into college (for most students at least). But after they transfer to Emory during junior and apply to med school, they would be counted as part of Emory University just like all original Emory College students, while during undergrad admissions Oxford stats were completely separate from those of Emory College. This is just an unsupported theory of mine to HELP explain the discrepancies and I’m not suggesting it is the sole reason, so don’t quote or flame me on it, but I am willing to bet that a high proportion of those students on that 2009 GPA/MCAT chart (linked in an earlier post on this thread) that got sub-30s or were not accepted are Oxford transfers.</p>
<p>^^^ Thats what I was thinking as well. All of the seniors that I knew last year that didn’t get into a single medical school were oxford kids.</p>
<p>Well, what is the general consensus? Is Emory to be avoided because of the low MCAT scores? For example, UMich has about 55% of students scoring >=30 on the MCAT…so I don’t know what to think of Emory’s low stats even if the Oxford students bring them down…those are still low percents for such a selective school.</p>
<p>I don’t know if I missed something here. Bluebayou’s link showed that Emory had 164 students with MCAT>30 out of a total of 339 applicants. This is almost 50%. If we consider the Oxford and the Alumni factors, their graduating seniors may approach a ratio of 75% with MCAT > 30. Would someone please double check?</p>
<p>@ViggyRam: I think you should be more concerned about how YOU will do in this process, not so much as how the school you go to will affect you. At top universities the quality of the education itself is generally similar across the board and covers the same material. What makes the differences on MCAT scores and med school acceptance tends to be mostly the student’s ability and motivation. So the primary question should be where will YOU excel the most, and not where have students traditionally excelled based on stats. And I believe Emory is a great school for pre-med IF you are motivated and efficient (I’m a rising soph pre-med here and I don’t regret coming to Emory).</p>
<p>But to answer your question, the Oxford factor is apparently huge in distorting Emory’s stats. As ace550 just said the percentage of non-Oxford transfer seniors at Emory scoring =/> 30 should be around 75%, which is much higher the UMich and about on par with Cornell.</p>
<p>Hm. Ace seems to be right. Approx 48% 30+. On the other hand, we see a 46% admissions rate into medical school – truly a horrifying admissions rate.</p>
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<p>How do you know this is true, none of the charts show which one of the applicants are oxford students and which ones started at Emory main campus. Emory needs to seriously create two separate charts.</p>
<p>GAHHHHHH! And to think, I was almost a stats major. Gotta go back to counting circa Grade 1…</p>
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<p>I don’t, I was just citing ace550’s estimate, which I guess doesn’t have any solid basis…for now we can only GUESS that the average mcat and med school admit rate of just Emory College students should be higher than 48% 30+ and 46% admit rate.</p>
<p>Also, based on the relatively small list of med schools Oxford students have gotten into (<a href=“http://oxford.emory.edu/academics/after_oxford/graduate_and_medical_school_appointments.dot[/url]”>http://oxford.emory.edu/academics/after_oxford/graduate_and_medical_school_appointments.dot</a>), it does seem like Oxford students do worse in the whole process.</p>
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If I remember it correctly, Cornell created its gpa-vs-mcat grid report without using URM’s data at all, in order for the grid to convey undistorted information to the reader. Otherwise, the reported data is distorted so that it becomes less useful.
Kudo to Cornell for reporting it in this way. Even the $ version of USN does not do it in this way.</p>
<p>Also, the prospects seem much better if you’re looking at only Emory seniors with a 3.5 and 30+, which translated to an 80% admit rate for the c/o 2009 (<a href=“http://www.career.emory.edu/parents/pdf/Med_Stats_2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.career.emory.edu/parents/pdf/Med_Stats_2009.pdf</a>).</p>
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<p>Lol. This seems to be more controversial than Emory creating two separate charts for oxford/main campus kids. I can imagine Oxford kids being irate that Emory decided to create 2 separate charts for main campus vs. oxford kids. </p>
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^^^ Thats not what we are talking about. We are wondering why so many kids score horribly on the MCATs from Emory.</p>
<p>Cornell created the MCAT/GPA charts in order to give people an estimate of their likelihood of getting into med school with a specific MCAT/GPA. Including URM’s in the data would distort the “xx% of applicants with 3.4+ GPA’s and 30+ MCAT scores got into med school.” Let’s face it, a URM with a 3.4 and a 30 is not only getting into med school but probably into a pretty good one while a ORM with a 3.4/30 might not get into med school at all. Hence, for 98% of the applicants, URM data is useless.</p>
<p>Yea, the Oxford students probably have a lot to do with that low med school acceptance rate number. Blue, you scared a lot of people with that 33% number… so, in reality, the number is closer to 50% even with the Oxford student. I would hazard a guess that Emory College students get into med school at a rate of around 80% and that around 75% score 30+ on the MCAT which isn’t bad at all. I read/heard somewhere that the average GPA at the Oxford Campus is around a 2.7… Yes, 2.7 GPA. It’s obviously going to be extremely difficult to get into med school witha 2.7 especially when the students are asian/ white and not URMs. These students would virtually have a 0% chance of getting into med school. Also, last year, Emory apparently upgraded its pre-health advising system and now they include some sort of letter which apparently helps students get into med school. I believe one poster named bernie wrote that this past admissions cycle, there were at least four people who got into harvard med so things are definitely looking up. Lastly, I agree that Emory needs to create two different charts because that 46% number is scaring a lot of people. Like I said, the number for Emory College students would be more around 80% I would guess. That holds in line with Emory’s law placement numbers where they are very successful (even more so than Cornell, Rice etc.). All in all, these stats don’t tell you the exact truth. They are misleading. I will post more on this info because I sent the university an email regarding this question. I want to know their official response.</p>
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<p>Basic algebra indicates that this is unlikely. Even assuming Oxford kids NEVER get into medical school, they’d have to compose 40% of the applicant pool in order to bring Emory College from 80% down to the 48% we actually see.</p>
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Emory did very well this year at Yale School of Medicine. Two from the Class of 2010 and two from the Class of 2009 will be attending. 4 in a Class of 100. The only schools that have as many or more were Yale, Hopkins, Harvard, Brown, and Stanford.</p>
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Where can I find the complete list Curm? Looked on the website, and it didn’t jump out and hit me!</p>