<p>SAT Critical Reading: 620 - 700<br>
SAT Math: 650 - 730<br>
SAT Writing: 620 - 700<br>
ACT Composite: 27 - 31 </p>
<p>I wonder why the scores, as reported by college board, dropped for Emory by a fairly considerable amount this year (ex: ACT scores are two points lower, on average). Not that scores are the end-all-and-be-all.</p>
<p>Yet the acceptance rate is reported as 31%, which is 8% lower than the year before.</p>
<p>Does it state the total number of applications? If they received MORE applications, but less qualified applicants, their acceptance rate could go down at the same time the averages dropped too.</p>
<p>A brief survey of other schools suggests that something may be happening demographically. The super high end appear to be holding steady, perhaps a decison to be somewhat less "holistic" in thier decison process inorder to hold the statistics stable. But I found no school that went up and many that went down at either the high end of their range or the low end or both.</p>
<p>It is also possible that a significant number of admitted students with high end credentials chose not to attend for financial reasons. Ths would make the new "Emory Advantage" and "Liberal Arts Scholarship" programs seem like a pretty rational response.</p>
<p>the school went from 29-33 which is as good as duke, harvard, princeton, yale and all thoe schools...wow 27-31 is a huge decline. i hope the schools name and prestige is not in jeopardy?</p>
<p>do not trust the college board for accurate sat score reports. they are usually a few years off or just wrong. the university reported the score ranges from last year's class and they are as follows:
Average GPA, unweighted 3.75 / 4.0 scale
SAT verbal, middle 50% 640–730
SAT math, middle 50% 660–740
SAT total, middle 50% 1300–1470
ACT, middle 50% 29–33
<a href="http://www.emory.edu/ADMISSIONS/about/class-profile.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.emory.edu/ADMISSIONS/about/class-profile.htm</a></p>
<p>thats what it had for last years...they just updated it and they dropped to 27-31 on the act</p>
<p>i understand that that's what the collegeboard says but since the scores can only be from this year's freshman class or earlier (and that is what is on the emory website) i would think that the official scores on emory's website are more reliable than an independent source. for example, georgetown reports from its website that it had scores of 670-760 in cr and 670-750 in math while the collegeboard says they had 640-750 in cr and 650-740. i'm just saying there are disparities.</p>
<p>I'm curious, Blaze 991, are you comparing this years recent results from CB with last years data from CB or last years data from some other source?</p>
<p>Between CB this year and CB last year.</p>
<p>I think the answer is Oxford College. if you include it, you get the current numbers for CB. If you just look at Emory College you get the numbers we are used to seeing. Which is appropriate depends on the question you are asking, but I don't think there was a large year-to-year change. Can anyone confirm?</p>
<p>I don't know for sure whether that's the case, but that sounds like a great postulation to me.</p>
<p>so you're saying last year's CB data was only for Emory College? I would assume they take the same measure. Either include Oxford both years, or none at all, for both years.</p>
<p>That would appear to be the case. It looks like they (CB) changed approaches between the two years. The situation is sort of unusual, since Emory runs two separate admissions processes for the two colleges. It is not really clear what CB should do, since the "right" answer depends on the question being asked. I would agree with you that they should be consistent year to year but it looks like they changed approaches.</p>
<p>the wierd thing is that they have separet stats for the Oxford college:</p>
<p>Middle 50% of
First-Year Students Percent Who
Submitted Scores
SAT Critical Reading: 550 - 650 92%
SAT Math: 550 - 650 92%
SAT Writing: - 92%
ACT Composite: 23 - 28 44%</p>
<p>mm... then i guess Emory really did dropped then. All well, so long to 18th in the nation.</p>
<p>It is wierd. CB does have separate stats for Oxford, but not separate states for Emory College. If you take the stats for Emory College from the Emory web site and the stats for Oxford College from the Emory web site (both of which are for the same time period referenced by the CB) and do a simple weighted average you end up with numbers very close to the numbers posted by CB for this year. CB's numbers for last year match Emory College's numbers for last year or so I'm told by another poster on this site. USNWR numbers seem to consistently track Emory College and are what you are used to seeing. There does not appear to be a year-to-year drop in either Emory College's or Oxford College's numbers.</p>
<p>Actually, Emory College's numbers appear to be identical year to year and Oxford College's numbers are up (just slightly), so it's hard to see how there could have been a year to year decline overall.</p>
<p>Yeah, it looks like college board screwed up and put oxford college on it's own and with Emory's stats. If you look at the number of enrolled first time freshman for Oxford college it's 341, and for Emory U it's 1,665. But on Emory college's website it says, 1340, so it looks as if collegeboard added the freshman(not exact b/ very close), so they could just as easily added the two schools scores for Emory U stats, which both are Emory U, so they should really call Emorys', Emory college. lol. I don't know.</p>
<p>College board presumably got its SAT range for Emory from Emory's Common Data Set (CDS) for 2006-2007.<br>
<a href="http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/CDS2006_2007.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/CDS2006_2007.pdf</a></p>
<p>CDS 06-07, section C, number 9 -- the SAT range reported is 1270-1430</p>
<p>This is considerably lower than the year before. In the CDS for 2005-2006, the SAT range is higher.
<a href="http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/CDS2005_2006.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/CDS2005_2006.pdf</a></p>
<p>CDS 05-06, section C, number 9 -- the SAT range reported is 1300-1470</p>
<p>This seems simple. The scores dropped. But did they? Not according to Emory's ambiguously worded admissions website. They report 06-07's range as 1300-1470, which happens to be the same as that reported in 05-06, indicating no drop or increase in range. Let's forget about this fact and focus on why there is a large difference between the two CDS from 05-06 to 06-07</p>
<p>One possible explanation for the difference between the CDS of 05-06 and 06-07 is that Emory was reporting the range of admitted students in years prior on the CDS, but reported the range of enrolled students this year, thus accounting for the lower range this year on the CDS. But I find it hard believe that Emory could get away with reporting the SAT range for admitted students in years prior when section C9 explicitly asks for that of enrolled students. So, I think this explanation is wrong.</p>
<p>Another possible explanation for the decrease between years is that Emory decided to or was required to combine Oxford's SAT range with that of Emory. First of all, this explanation seems too complicated to be true and the idea of combining the scores of first year students of two distinct colleges is odd in itself. But it would be a worthy explanation if the math worked in its favor. As (post #11) indicates, the weighted average between the range reported on Emory's website and Oxford's range is not equal to the range reported in the CDS for 06-07 and on college board (the weighted average between colleges is 1364, whereas the average for CDS 06-07 is 1350). Moreover, I don't see why college board would use a weighted average for Emory but not for Oxford. Ultimately I think this explanation is wrong.</p>
<p>Another explanation is that the student profile for SAT scores has simply gone down between years. This would make perfect sense if not for Emory's reporting on their website. The scores for 06-07 reported on Emory's website actually stayed the same from the scores they reported the year before. </p>
<p>Moreover, the consistency of some statistics between two years suggest that there was no drastic decrease in the student profile. One oddity between the two different years is the percentage of students scoring in certain brackets on the SAT has stayed the same. By this I mean the percentage of students scoring 700-800, 600-700 on Math and CR is nearly the same between years (within a percent in each bracket, and actually higher for 2006-2007 for those who scored in the 700-800 range in Math!). Even though I don't think this explanation holds, it does seem the most simplest and deserves consideration.</p>
<p>So, what is left? The question that asks for the SAT range of ENROLLED students (C9) is NOT exactly the same question between years. Comparing C9 between the two years, it comes to my attention that C9 is phrased slightly different between the two years. For 06-07, it says everything as the year before but adds, "Do not convert SAT to ACT scores and vice versa." If Emory did convert in years prior to make its scores look better than they were, then this would be a strong explanation for the discrepancy between the years. This explanation would account for the fact that the students scoring in the SAT ranges 600-700, 700-800, etc have remained consistent between 05-06 and 06-07 yet the overall SAT range has gone down considerably -- there is no way to convert for these brackets because they are specific.</p>
<p>In conclusion, the score reporting boggles me. It saddens me that there is not more transparency on the part of Emory. In particular, Emory's statistics posted on its website are very deceiving if it turns out that the SAT range for JUST ENROLLED Emory college students (not Oxford) is the range reported on the CDS and College Board. Moreover, the language and numbers used on Emory's admission website is very ambiguity when they discuss their scores. The simple truth is that, in any case, there shouldn't have too be this much confusion and the score reporting should be more transparent.</p>